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Er.. boycott barbielith, it stole my posts - ic

21:52 / 20.01.03

whats going on here then, concentric complicity?

1/ please give us back our threads, Collective Nur and 8 mile Boycott and The Great Australian Shark.

2/ please inform us of why and whom took this desision.

3/ please do not do this again.

thankyou

iChild

21:56 / 20.01.03

Heh heh heh heh.

The Return Of Rothkoid

22:20 / 20.01.03

Welcome to a moderated board. Learn to play nicely.

22:29 / 20.01.03

Was there a message given by the moderator of the board of the threads' future deletion?

The Return Of Rothkoid

22:40 / 20.01.03

Yep. In the Great White Australian Shark one, there were two.

ONLY NICE THINGS

22:58 / 20.01.03

The deletion of Collective Nur was discussed within the thread also, IIRC.

23:30 / 20.01.03

You see, innercircle, you've been urging people to take direct action against the social ills of our time...

Proving once again the truth of the old axiom that you should be careful what you wish for.

23:36 / 20.01.03

It's the actions of the Barbeclique Conspiracy! They act to suppress the really dangerous ideas, you know!

My advice, innercircle, is to run as far and fast as you can from this trap for free-thinkers, and find a place where you can truly express radical thought. Do it now, before it's too late.

03:51 / 21.01.03

ic.. dude.. it's a hint?

It's not like you're banned, but if the stuff you're posting isn't coherent, relevant, or well thought out, it's not going to stick around in this place..

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

05:15 / 21.01.03

I voted for deletion of "...Shark" on a request from another poster. Presumably 2 (or 3- I can't remember) other mods agreed with me.

It was a collective decision, y'see?

Get this. This is a discussion board. We like to discuss things. Yes, that includes many of the things that seem to concern you. We don't come here to be preached at.

Try discussion. It seems to work for everyone else. You never know, you might enjoy it.

06:24 / 21.01.03

when the UDHR art 19 rights of the innercircle are abused, it brings out the worsst and the best in our members.

The worst of us reaserch deep untill we find blood, much like a pack of springer spanials.

the best of us then take that knowlage a ensure that is is constantly public. ie 'blooding'

we will forgive you this time BBB, because you are unfamiliar with the sustainabity and tenasity of the innercircle however we repeat the innocence of corrupted youth,

'dont do it again' or you will be sorry. ask gnn,

if deleting threads with 20 current replies on it and relates directly to a topic on the webzine, then someone had better explain that logic to us and it had better be Billy Graham cause that shit is not dope. How is cures the social ills of our time Jack'sFear may be a topic for you to retort with.

'It was a collective decision'.... we were not co-party to the 3rd Riech's barbieQ on knowlage. the commandate whom gave the order is personally liable for the loss of intellectual porperty, that we remind you is bound by international copyright laws.

ah... persona O ....'coherent, relevant, or well thought out'the horizion of truth steps ever closer for you.

if you dont like our style icNotMao then press the ignore button there are plenty of people who did. the Shark was a provocative well puntuated punative punt @ the fair dinkum society of surfers and barbie dolls that pass in the australian digital hinterland. it proved a hotbed of debate. Kelled @ BarbieLand

you have been warned, modulators, owners and sponsers, oppose the ic @ your personal peril.

icTroubleShooter

Hattie's Kitchen

06:57 / 21.01.03

Right, so who is abusing Article 19 of the UDHR now?

You know, throwing your toys out of the pram will make people even less inclined to take you seriously, that's if they do at all.

Take a hint and fuck off.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:01 / 21.01.03

'dont do it again' or you will be sorry. ask gnn,

That would be the Guerilla News board, where you've previously been trolling? Yes, I've heard about this.

innercircle, you actually admitted in the 'Shark' thread that you were letting personal, xenophobic prejudice obscure any real issues; despite 'fessing up to this, you then proceeded to drag the thread down into the realm of playground namecalling with your jibes at another member of the board. I didn't vote on that thread's deletion, but I don't think it's a great loss. I am, however, nominating that this one be moved to Policy, where it belongs.

Oh, and threatening the entire board, which you seem to be doing above? Not clever.

ONLY NICE THINGS

07:24 / 21.01.03

You seem to have a very odd idea of what constitues Article 19 of the UNDHR, innercircle. It promises freedom of speech, IIRC. It does not promise freedom to say whatever you like, especially not when somebody else is paying to maintain the medium you are saying it on.

You also seem to have an odd idea of what constitutes copyrigth or intellectal property. If somebody had attempted to pass off your statements as their own, they would be in breach of copyright. As it is, nobody is, and I doubt that anyone is likely to. You, and anyone else on Barbelith, had the right to make a copy of the relevant documents at any time, just as you could have photographed a message drawn in the sand. If you did not photograph that message, and the waters subsequently washed it away, I don't think the sea is in breach of copyright. You may receive legal advice that contradicts this, but if you do I'm afraid that the lawyer in question may not have your best interests at heart.

Now, I'd like to discuss this "personal peril" thing. Only it strikes me that that constitutes a threat. Could you expand on what you mean, please? Only, demanding that people play the way you want to play, and threatening them (personally, yet) if they don't, sounds a lot more Third Reich to me than a practice of moving and/or deleting threads that you agreed to implicitly when you signed up for Barbelith (read the FAQ, dude. Really).

Incidentally, I think "boycott 8 mile" is in the Conversation, presumably because its scope was decided as too broad for Films,TV and Theatre or the Switchboard.

In the meantime, there is a serious issue here. Innercircle believes that the moderators of the Switchboard and the Gathering (and Films, Television and Theatre) acted unfairly in moving or deleting his threads, and would like barbelith to agree never to alter one of his threads, by moving or deleting it, again. First up, could I ask Innercircle whether he/she/they mean this to apply to everyone, or whether only his/her/their threads and posts shoudl be exempt from moderation.

The Natural Way

07:39 / 21.01.03

The ride continues! Round and round! round and round! You are having so much fun!

08:58 / 21.01.03

Okay, I'm boycotting Barbelith as a means of expressing my outrage at IC's treatment.

Oh, hang on, I was actually one of those who voted for deletion of the 'Australian Great White' thread. As others have already commented, deleting a thread is a collective decision requiring the agreement of three moderators. I don't think anyone here is particularly delete-happy, so provoking this much agreement is relatively rare. In that instance, my own decision was based upon the thread in question engaging with other posters on (what appeared to me to be) a purely personally antagonistic level.

I've no idea who the 'agreeing' moderators were or why they voted the way they did but hey, that's the beauty of this particular system.

ONLY NICE THINGS

09:20 / 21.01.03

Now, I know this is all youthful high spirits, but somebody's goigng to lose an eye at this rate. Innercircle is new to the board, and deserves just as much respect as he has given his fellow board members.

So, IC - clearly you object to the moderation of topics. Do you believe that moderating any topic is wrong, or are you requesting that you personally be exempted from moderation? Or are you demanding that the moderators who voted for the various moderation actions to your topics be stripped of moderator status? What do you actually want here?

Our Lady of The Two Towers

11:31 / 21.01.03

So what do we have here, ic saying "Be free, or else (By the way, 'being free' does not mean that you have the right in any way to disagree with anything I want to do)?" From what I recall the Nur thread was pointless and in the wrong forum, and the only thing deleted from the Headshop was something which you posted in a seperate thread anyway.

I mean this sincerely Innercircle, considering your actions since you arrived here the people on this board are being fantastically friendly towards you. I suggest you take a few deep breaths, rotate into position the personalities inside you that are capable of rational discussion and try again.

13:36 / 21.01.03

Omnapade om...

NOW then, I don't know about the rest of you moderators, but usually when I vote to have a thread or a post deleted, or suggest its deletion, I send a pm to the person who started the thread and explain why I am doing it. Anybody do this in this instance? Maybe just a misunderstanding.

14:10 / 21.01.03

The Springer Spaniel:

Quote:
I’ve been training blood tracking with my English springer spaniel Boris just for fun. And it’s the dog that is having fun and I just love to look how he enjoys the whole thing. My role is mainly follow Boris and keep quiet and most of all let him work independently. Boris has always been very excited about the blood tracking.

ONLY NICE THINGS

14:21 / 21.01.03

I usually mention within the thread that it is being moved for deletion if I am deleting a thread, and likewise if I am deleting a post, usually asking the poeple in the thread if they think it's the right course of action. I prefer to PM people asking them if they could mod their own posts, as it feels more polite, and also means the alteration can be almost instantaneous. I wouldn't edit a post without consent on the detail of the changes, because changing a post could change how it sounds completely.

When it comes to PMs - I usually don't, because if I'm proposing something I don't know if it will be approved or not, so I could be PMing somebody about nothing. If somebody PMs me asking why somethign was deleted, I will of course talk about it with them, assuming I know - since there are 2 votes needed to moderate a post and six moderators on most fora a fair amount of the time it will all have happened off my watch.

Generally, I think the timelag between proposing deletion, moving for deletion and the confirmation of that deletion is enough to allow discussion by PM or on the thread, and also means that it's completely transparent.

10:17 / 24.01.03

Well. maybe some of this is my fault as I keep on suggesting deletion of IC's thoroughly useless threads. Apologies to the moderators, I don't come to the forum often enough to see the thought and consideration that lies behind some of the decisons taken.

And IC - so your threatening to attempt (and fail, I hope) to damage the board if we won't play your way - thus fucking it up for the near 1700 members, 100 or so regular posters and god-knows-how many lurkers? Do you not see the irony of this when counterposed to your calls for collective action?

How do you maintain discipline inside your "collective"? Either you all get on fantastically well, or maybe ... there's only one of you. Shock horror.

Take Hattie's hint above.

gentleman loser

11:58 / 24.01.03

Mack Daddy Illmatic:

How do you maintain discipline inside your "collective"?

I think that "they" are all required to wear the Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie.