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8 Mile Boycott – Entertaining Activism.

  
  

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innercircle
03:33 / 18.01.03
its a piece of shit
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:23 / 18.01.03
Hi innercircle. Welcome to Barbelith. Before you continue posting, you might like to consider:

1) looking to see if there are pre-existing threads on the subjects you want to discuss, and posting to them rather than starting a new thread. There's a search function located at the bottom of each section of the forum, although in the case of City of God, you would only have had to scroll down the page a little to find this thread.

2) giving reasons for opinions as strong as the one above. Tell us *why* you didn't like 8 Mile, or why you don't intend to see it, and don't limit your explanation to "because it fucking sucks". That doesn't tend to go down too well here, and you'll find your experience of Barbelith a lot more rewarding if you take the time to construct an actual argument. Oh, and one line posts as a way of starting a thread seldom get a good response.

(Posting this here rather than sending a PM, 'cos these are pretty much universal principles.)
 
 
innercircle
13:30 / 18.01.03
These are the reasons

Universal / Vivendi Uses GATS extension to exploit 3rd world countries

(Multinational Monitor)


Universal / Vivendi – Sues own shareholders APPAC

(BBC) 18/12/02

Head Quarters raided by Police in Paris

(BBC) 12/12/02

Trauma Records sues Interscope / Universal over No Doubt's recording contract

(Rolling Stone)

Class Action filed in New York against Universal / Vivendi 7/1/03.

(Guardian Unlimited)


Truth Hurts sues Universal for $500m for abuse of rights.

(MTV)



M&M is threatening to "beat the shit" out of fans who have illegally uploaded his music onto the Internet.

(NME.com)


Rap artist Dr. Dre today gave the company a list of 239,612 usernames of people he says have illegally made his songs available online

(CNET.com)

Courtney Love sues Universal, Nirvana for rights to the band's material

(Rolling Stone)

Farmclub.com, Universal Music Group targeted in copyright infringement suit

(Rolling Stone)

Controls Privatised Water Exploitation Rights in 3rd world countries

(Vivendi Environment)

Fined $6m for Environmental Abuse in underdeveloped countries

(Friends of the Earth)




The goal is to underline the responsibility this company has in the Global Market to act responsibly and transparently in all areas of its affairs, including water and intellectual property rights.


Is Universal an EnronInWaiting?

On another level Universal abuses us when we are exposed to the M&M ‘Show’ on MTV. Despite its entertainment value, the subliminal message that his misogynistic, homophobic, trash talk actually is acceptable in a modern evolved intelligent society is beyond justification unless it is focusing disgust, like Hate Sessions in ‘1984’.

We cannot ignore the similarities of his physical violence, drug taking and racist freak show to the state of the American nation today, desperately trying to create entertainment heroes to allay their fear of the rest of the world. Therefore it is alleged that Universal / Vivendi abuses culture & mind.

M&Ms ridicule of Osma is reported to have insulted factions of Al Qaeda.

Universal / Vivendi using TWAT to exploit a fervent backlash reactionary element prohibiting peace? Who is Marketing Who?

George Bush is actually related to Slim Shady, making it no surprise that they sing the same song Kill You


Action

DO NOT go to see the film

Protest in your local cinema against its exposure.

Smear posters, with cultured jam,

Post the ‘8 Mile Boycott’ directive to every forum you know

Ring in Radio Talk programs and voice up.

Spread the word,


No More Universal Abuse !

we can make a differance eaisly


icopyright
 
 
000
13:38 / 18.01.03
You say: "On another level Universal abuses us when we are exposed to the M&M ‘Show’ on MTV."

I could argue that his MTV clips are full of activate symbols and highly charged hypnotic influences -- in a good way, you see.

But I won't, not until you clearly define how they contain subliminal messages.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:01 / 18.01.03
George Bush is actually related to Slim Shady

So Eminem's a lizzzzardd too? Excellent. I'd love to see that family tree.
 
 
rizla mission
15:12 / 18.01.03
Soo ... a specific boycott should be organised of aforementioned Hollywood movie, largely on the basis that it's produced/distributed by a big corporate giant, and thus almost by it's very nature will indirectly profit the doers of bad things?

Fair enough in a sense I suppose, but if you're going down this road, shouldn't you also be boycotting every other film in existence, every supermarket, every manufacturer of electronic stuff, every seller of shoes, every major internet service provider etc. etc. etc.

In short, if you're to follow your proposed boycott to it's natural conclusion, why are you blathering to us instead of spending your days in a secret self sufficient agricultural commune?

And as to the other half of your argument, one would presume that people who don't like Eminem or find his conduct offensive would already have made up their minds not to go and see his movie, and thus certainly don't need you to tell them to do so.

What an odd, odd basis for a thread..
 
 
videodrome
17:52 / 18.01.03
... the subliminal message that his misogynistic, homophobic, trash talk actually is acceptable in a modern evolved intelligent society is beyond justification...

How is that different from "it's a piece of shit" as the introductory post?

We cannot ignore the similarities of his physical violence, drug taking and racist freak show to the state of the American nation today, desperately trying to create entertainment heroes to allay their fear of the rest of the world. Therefore it is alleged that Universal / Vivendi abuses culture & mind.

No, we can't ignore it. But think of it more as trying to allay our fears of ourselves.

M&Ms ridicule of Osma is reported to have insulted factions of Al Qaeda.

Oh, NO! Hopefully not in the same way that the attack on NYC insulted us. ..that would be bad.

This is quite the scattershot protest.
 
 
bio k9
21:48 / 18.01.03
we can make a differance eaisly

Just as soon as we sort out that pesky spelling thing.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
23:46 / 18.01.03
Oh for fuck's sake. Lay off the fucking spelling!!!
I am sick of that, argue with anything you want but the spelling is irrelevent, spelling does not affect a person's argument.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
12:14 / 19.01.03
No, but it sure is fun once everyone else has already picked on the argument.
 
 
arcboi
13:56 / 19.01.03
'Slim Shady' is a persona/memeplex . You didn't really believe that Bruce Willis saved the world in Armageddon did you?
 
 
innercircle
22:02 / 19.01.03
In fact the logical end to this arguement is to bann all produsts form our baskets that are contaminated by abuse or severe exploitation, ie Nike sweatshop product, coffee though Neslte, etc, YES thats the only sway we have over this megaliths.

we dont vote them in, they just subvert the rules to siut themselvews, like GATT,GATS,IMF,WTO,UN all these instituions are subverted by the power of commerce. then the DMCA and Homeland security follow on, with ID cards in the UK and sterarner refgee and asylem laws , i know this is a broad side attack but it all stems form the same misconception that some should have much more than others.

Specifically with M&M and Universal, it is perfect to use thier media spaming to our advantage. this is a protest that can be picked up like a shot, magnifing the power of a few simole keystroakes into a miultinational force for good, providing truth and no impunity for transgressers, coperate, govenment or personal. the unification of all mankind begins here.


icVisions
 
 
videodrome
22:54 / 19.01.03
Right, then.

This is Switchboard stuff, not film/tv/theatre, so continue it over there if you want to. Consider this thread moved.

And innercircle, if you're going to continue to post, you can probably skip the sig, since your name's right there on the left anyway.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
02:56 / 20.01.03
You didn't really believe that Bruce Willis saved the world in Armageddon did you?

No. But his work at Nakatomi Plaza was grrreat!

Unless that's a lie, too.

Goddamn. You're gonna tell me there's no Santa, next.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:17 / 20.01.03
This seems more Conversational... maybe I'll see if it likes it over there...

and Rothkoid, there is a Santa. Jack Skellington let him go again at the end of the movie, didn't he? So that's alright then.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:29 / 20.01.03
Although not a huge fan of the music, I liked the movie. Kind of a Rocky rap movie. And the working class hero bit at the end was better than what I expected. Innercircle, although this is not necessarily an advertisement for the film, it does raise the fact that I approve of the film, so perhaps it would be in your best interests to boycott this thread.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:15 / 20.01.03
Shush, innercircle, shush....gently....shhhhh.....stop it...na ah AH!...SLOW!
 
 
The Natural Way
08:17 / 20.01.03
You know one of those *rides* you give little children? The one where you take them by the wrists or the calves and spin them around and around? That's what we're doing right now. You're having a great time! Wheee! You like spinning round.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
13:51 / 21.01.03
I've heard it was great from Reliable Sources in the Homeland, and I'm itching to see it. I doubt it's going to change my life or anything, but I have a feeling this is Eminem's "Purple Rain" moment. Whadyall think, those who've seen it?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
16:05 / 21.01.03
I think it's hysterical that no one seems to have any idea what to make of Eminem. One week, the Village Voice is calling him a monster & the next week Zadie Smith is calling him the greatest rapper alive.
Awesome. It looks so clumsy and obvious from my armchair, but he's got all the pulpit-thumpers running in circles. Don't you wish you could've done a duet with Elton John and then flipped off the all-star audience?

I haven't seen the movie and I'm not really interested -- maybe I'll see it on cable sometime. In six months, this will all be a fuzzy memory. It's worth noting, though, that as petty and tiresome as it seems to harp on spelling, one of the reason media cabals like Universal seem to run the world is that they proofread their press releases. It's called 'professionalism,' people, and it's worthwhile. Lack of professionalism makes you look like some dumbshit teenager.

I didn't know that Mathers was related to Bush. Is he really? If the story of his humble beginnings is true, though, it seems about as meaningful as my 'relation' to Shirley McClain (I am very distantly related to her) -- and as good a reason to boycott his product as a bunch of lawsuits against his paymasters. But maybe, if it's true, he'll run for president someday.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:35 / 21.01.03
Cherie: There's a thread about 8 Mile for people who've seen it on the first page of the Film/TV forum.

And Eminem is just *not* related to Bush... Quite frankly, nothing is going to discredit your argument more than claiming that two people with wildly different and opposing ideologies are in on it together just because you find oppose both ideologies in question. Unless I'm very much mistaken, it makes you look like the supposedly left-wing answer to Richard Littlejohn.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:46 / 21.01.03
Don't you wish you could've done a duet with Elton John and then flipped off the all-star audience?

The funny thing is, Axl Rose did the exact same thing (except it was at the VMAs instead of the grammys) several years earlier, to establish his non-homophobic bona fides. And he hung out backstage with the Pet Shop Boys. Let's see Eminem do that, especially considering they allegedly wrote a song about cruising him.
 
 
innercircle
22:38 / 21.01.03
today we didnt go to see it, it was hard because the sybliminal hype is everywhere, like advertisments for the army, navy, airforce @ the moment,, hmmm coincidence?

search for the white rapper gives over 300 strikes, plug in Gandi and you get 73.

fucking search engines you cant trust anyone these days.



short one causes we have given too much elsewhere, liked the Littlejhon jib, funny, however not appropiate as w doubt if he/she has read Pilger/Klien/Stigliz/ et al.

other than that keep the boycott up, if one persons admission price dosent go to MonkeyMan, we have VICTORY!


icGathering Momentum
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
22:43 / 21.01.03
search for the white rapper gives over 300 strikes, plug in Gandi and you get 73.

Old chap, I stuck 'Gandhi' into Google and got 'about 859000' results. Perhaps you should switch search engines.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:48 / 21.01.03
Or tell us who Gandi is.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:50 / 21.01.03
Gandhi WIN!

A gandi? Is that like the goose/gander equivalent of "hir" or "ze"?
 
 
innercircle
23:03 / 21.01.03
Little tack on protest,

for all you lazy ArmchairActivists

vote against Universal’s offering in the Sundance online Festival
s-11, instead…


Vote for 'Process Progress' and One.

here.....

http://www.sundanceonlinefilmfestival.com/


one member of the ic wrote……………………

‘We finally got around to wasting our time watching s-11 the Universal / Interscope video. By the way don’t take it as a compliment that we were subjected to the same toxic mind syndrome as is generated by 8 Mile, we did it for research’

‘Back to the pretence of a video, talk about profiteering form misery, it was a blatant, content lacking, cut & paste job form CNN. Why did you bother, it takes about as much talent to make that stereotypical American crap as it does to try to ban the ic. Both are jobs for fools.'

‘ juxtaposition of the Hajj over the face of Osama indicates clearly a lack of knowledge about Islam. The vast majority whom distance themselves form his actions. the ‘interpretation’ has also been criticised by Muslim members of the innercircle whom take great personnel offence at the allegations’

‘the poor editing technique of stuttering and repeating the imagery culled form CNN is old hat, remember MAX HEADROOM back in the 80s. Get SOME originality ….. wannabe.’

'give the man a camera and he will point it @ the TV, give him an idea and it will blow his mind'

iCrush




‘Process Progress - is an innovative and creative piece, combining the subtle use of a greatly neglected area of the frame, the foreground, with subtle split screening and a mysterious attractive quality, overlayed with type, a modern interpretation of Peter Greenaway techniques.


And of course the elegant simplicity of One is engaging.’


……………………….beyond the land of Television.


ICritic




BoltonBoycott


Dont you just love point and click activism.


iClearly
 
 
rizla mission
15:06 / 22.01.03
today we didnt go to see it, it was hard because the sybliminal hype is everywhere, like advertisments for the army, navy, airforce @ the moment,, hmmm coincidence?

Happens quite a lot these days. They're called, um, what was it, 'advertising campaigns'?
 
 
Ganesh
15:26 / 22.01.03
CherieLaBombe: I'm quite curious about the film too (sounds somewhat better-acted than 'Purple Rain'), but reckon Xoc won't be up for it (we have an open relationship where the cinema's concerned; he's already gone 'swinging' with the new Star Trek effort). Perhaps we should consider a Barbe-excursion to see it?
 
 
innercircle
18:35 / 22.01.03
well done onliners, we are winning. the latest Screen International numbers show 8 mile to be the worst performing film in the tables. less than $1100 per screen.

hahahahahahahahaha

its working ic

Rizla spare us your senseless houmour, ever thought why these 'campaigns' are so called, because its a militery assult of the mind. They represent values in society today. therefore the occurance of 8 Mile homophobic, racist, mysoginist heros, and the increase in Army adds, has a nice synregy to it n'est pas?

ganesh, you are looking for trouble friend. the movie has been panned by critics and film goers alike, as the numbers above show, it is a dead horse, but if you are still interested, i am sure Universal will happily take your money and use it to exploit 3rd world rights , with GATS or DCMA or Vivendi Enviroment abusing basic human rights to water. go for it dude and

'enjoy the movie'

icScreens
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
18:59 / 22.01.03
Well, this critic (cough) and film goer thought it rocked. IC, is there anything you do like?
 
 
innercircle
23:29 / 22.01.03
we like people that say something original, people that reaserch for the good of others, we love our families friends and the human race.

we do not like abuse of rights in any from. we have decided that this forum is a waste of our time.


KILL THIS THREAD NOW


iculater
 
 
Ganesh
00:08 / 23.01.03
KILL THIS THREAD NOW.

NO. You can propose deletion of your own posts, though, if you like. There's more information on this in the Policy & Help forum.
 
 
innercircle
06:13 / 23.01.03
KILL THIS THREAD NOW GIVE US BACK OUT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY


the superiorness of this forum is killing innocent people


KILLT THIS THREAD
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:35 / 23.01.03
Personally, I've lost track of all the innocent people I've heartlessly murdered through my thoughtless aversion to spam.

...okay. shutting up now.
 
  

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