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Wyrd Sigils

 
 
penitentvandal
08:36 / 16.01.03
Well, now that the ooer-missus has gone off on his travels around China and pledged to leave us alone (at least until he returns with his 'long' and doubtless earth-shattering message at some unspecified point in the future), we can get back to discussing actual magickal stuff again. By way of easing us back into such discussion, here's something I've been wondering about.

We're all, or most of us are, familiar with the basic sigilisation process: write out your desire, reduce it to a string of letters, then recombine those letters in some other form - usually pictorial or as some kind of mantra. But it occurs to me that there are lots of other ways you could do it, too - I've found that generating acrostic poems from letter-strings can be a nice, and useful, form of alternative 'sigil' for instance. So - does anyone have any other odd, personalised ways of designing sigils which don't fit the traditional method? Come to think of it, does anyone have any strange, off-the-wall ways they use to charge sigils, or any weird sigil stories in general? Come on, let's get back into practice at discussing what we do instead of bitching at supposed hip-hop-sumo-guys, or whatever that fella said he was...
 
 
Bear
08:48 / 16.01.03
Hooray

I was thinking the other day about Smelly Sigils has anyone tried anything like this? Everyone knows how powerful the sense smell is right, so what you do is mix lots of various smells together until you have a nice (recognisable) smell. Then you draw your sigil and then cover it in the smell and at a later date you take a whiff to charge the sigil the recognition of the smell charges without remember the aim of the sigil.

Does that make any sense, I hope you can see what I'm getting at I'm having trouble concentrating as I think my head is going to fall off.
 
 
MrCoffeeBean
10:04 / 16.01.03
Poetry sigils are brilliant! How to charge it depends on what you use it for... Reading them on stage, in poetry Slam, open mics or any other forums. getting them published, desing them in such a way that it gets recharge everytime someone reads it. Ive used poetry sigils in Slams, to win it, wich i of course did (but is that cheating? i guess it is...)
 
 
Sebastian
10:21 / 16.01.03
sHIT. Now that I read this I realise I've been using prose poetry of my own for charging sigils for years. I was already aware of the siglisation through narrative writing of short stories, but now it strucks me the effect I got through concentrating in ultra short prose poems.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:35 / 16.01.03
I tried to do something like Bearman's Smelly Sigil but with my nano-servitors (a swarm of collective working servitors the live in my body and keep me ultra-healty. I haven't gotten sick since.) I periodically charge it by lighting orange sented incense.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:52 / 16.01.03
VV- I've found that generating acrostic poems from letter-strings can be a nice, and useful, form of alternative 'sigil' for instance.

Care to post an example? (At least it'll get a free charge.)
 
 
MrCoffeeBean
15:59 / 16.01.03
Somewhere, sometime i read about something... like this.. got a problem forgetting youre sigil before charging it? Take the words in youte intent, find a article, (magazine, newsapaper, whatever) that contains the words in youre intent, then do a sigil of the name and the date of the magazine or the titel of the article.

i think thats ounds nice, have yet to try it myself.

i wish i knew where i read that... and who wrote it..somewhere on the web...
 
 
penitentvandal
18:23 / 16.01.03
Usually I destroy 'em after I write 'em, impulsivelad. I find that seems to magnify the effect, because as I actually write poetry semi-professionally (i.e., I've published, performed, and been paid for both, but not enough to live on), the effort of creating intricately designed masterpieces and then destroying them, thus that they are unseen by anyone, and therefore don't massage my ego in any way, gives them an extra level of emotional intensity. At least I think that's what does it...

It pisses you off sometimes, tho'. I wrote this ego-shattering poem once about a guy who was totally up himself and clearly needed to undergo some Dane McGowan-style personality mod, and destroyed the fucker (the poem, not the guy, although he did go through the wringer afterwards). It was a really good poem, and I was sodding desperate to read the fucker out sometime. But...

Examples...Say, I don't know, let's try something crazy, I want to shag Nicole Kidman (which, like any red-blooded male, I do, but the probability is so low there's no point sigilizing for it...). I then get the letter-string out of that by the usual method, get rid of the repeating letters, winding up with, er, IWANTOSHGCLEKDM.

Then I make each letter the first letter of one line of a poem, as thus:

If I could shag any famous bird in the
world, then it'd have to be a certain
Aussie sheila: and I'm
not talking here about Cate Blanchett,
though she's nice etc, etc, you get the idea...

There is another cool poetic magick technique I often use as well, though it's not strictly sigil-related. It's basically a sort of 'stalking' thing, in the Castaneda sense, whereby, if there's someone pissing you off for some reason, you really try to put yourself into their position, to imagine things from their perspective, and then you write a poem based on that understanding. I've found that doing this gives people less power to hurt you: it's as if you've trapped part of their essence in the poem, and so you own and control a little piece of their soul...Which sounds like a pretty nice line for one of your slams, mrcoffeebean...

In honour of Lord Fanny's line about Orlando in Invisibles v3ish2, I call it 'learning' people. And I should point out that I don't do it all that often: it's not as if I have a bookshelf full of poems about people who've ticked me off and I sit caressing my leatherbound grimoires, looking out at the people on the street and cackling 'Ha ha, you puny insects! Moo hoo ha ha! I own your fucking souls! Moo hoo ha haaaaaaaa!'

Well. Not much, anyway.
 
 
Papess
19:27 / 16.01.03
Hey Velvet, if you end up shagging Nicole, let us know!
 
 
Pirate Ven Will Teach You To Lambada (The Forbidden Dance)
20:03 / 16.01.03
I tried the "dizzy method".
Spin 'round in a chair then glance at your sigil, etc. etc.
I think the "smelly sigil" thing is great.
I should try that...
I did something similar before, though not often, sort of "sound-sigils" (never came up with a name for the method, though, as can be obvious).
I'd do the "reduce the desire to a mantra" thing, then record the mantra in some form, play it back later when I couldn't decipher anything other than nonsense ("George Washington is a SATANIST!") from it.
Seemed to work just as hit-and-miss as my "wank method" sigils, though.
Yeah, big surprise which one I picked to use in most cases.
(The dizzy method, of course...spinning is fun!)
 
 
cusm
20:10 / 16.01.03
Here's one. Create an elaborate alter to your intention. Spend days tinkering with it, making it just perfect. Seek out or purchase the perfect token representations to your desire. In this way, charge over time through your attention, expense, and effort.

Then burn the lot and forget you ever mentioned it.
 
 
Caleigh
21:29 / 16.01.03
I've used a few approaches with sigils. I often will create a number of them in a short span of time and then leave them to rest for weeks or months until I can't remember which one matched which intent. As well I will try and make the letters into a picture which has nothing to do with the intent, this will help keep my mind off of the intent when I again work with the sigil. My concious mind is distracted by the image.

As far as audio manipulations I only once tried it and found it very interesting. I used a 1/4" tape recorder on the fastest recording speed (to give me the most tape to work with), recorded the intention straightforwardly and then cut it into little bits and pasted it back together. The work my brain was doing trying to figure out what it now sounded like again worked well to help me forget the original intention.
 
 
Chiropteran
03:45 / 20.01.03
I tried a new charging/forgetting technique a few days ago: I set my sigil up on a piece of paper and soaked it in lamp oil, then I focused, sank into light trance, focused some more...and slammed back a shotglass of medicinal wormwood extract - probably the most bitter substance I've come across (I should note for the absinthe enthusiasts that in this form there's not enough thujone for it to be "active"). Actually, it wasn't straight wormwood (!!!!), but it was the maximum dose usually given with a 8 0z glass of water (about 10-15 drops) concentrated into very little water. Definite shock to the taste-buds, and the mind. Then, I lit the sigil and let it burn. It certainly distracted my conscious thoughts from my intention without actually blacking out (like with hyperventilation or the "dizzy" method, both of which I've used before as well). Not sure how much of a success the experiment was (what was it for, anyway?? *wink*), but I had the feeling of calm that I usually have after a good ritual, and without the nasty wake-up-on-the-floor headache. Might try it again, a little stronger. (Ooh, possible variation - 6 or 8 shotglasses arranged in front of me, all but one with sugar water, and the last with 20 drops of wormwood, then shuffle them around... trance, focus, and without looking take one shotglass at a time until the wormwood hits - "Russian roulette" - be able to build on the apprehension, and each successive relief will just make the final shock more piercing, like the "teasers" in a horror movie - "oh, it's just a cat, ha ha ha...AAAAH!". Sorry, just thinking outloud...)

Anyway, yeah. Next!

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Lepidopteran
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:21 / 20.01.03
I'm going to try VV's poetry thing next time I sigilize. I tried to do something similar once with a short story (hypersigil) but that was nearly impossible. A short poem might be better.
 
 
MrCoffeeBean
09:05 / 20.01.03
so you did youre sigil as a poem, and it rocks! Just forget its a sigil and after charging it, just let it be a poem. But that of course mean you have to do the sigil in such a way it can only be chraged once. you could even put a line like "charged only once" or something into th epoem... Ovesimplified poetrysigil just write down youre intent and take the words and put them in youre poem... Why make things harden than they need to be?
 
 
Sebastian
10:59 / 20.01.03
Velvet, even if you don't shag Nicole I doubt you won't have a dream fucking her after that sigil.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:25 / 20.01.03
Cool poetry method, Velvet! I'm gonna try it!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:08 / 22.01.03
I used to use something like this about ten years ago, in conjunction with candle magick. I'd invoke an elemental spirit and then offer up the verse to them by burning it in an appropriately-coloured candle. Success was varied, but as long as I was fairly focused as to my goal the process seemed to work quite well.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
22:32 / 22.01.03
impulsivelad, can we hear more about this concept:

my nano-servitors (a swarm of collective working servitors the live in my body and keep me ultra-healty. I haven't gotten sick since.)

It sounds like an idea that I have been groping towards. Could you flesh out how it works? How you made these?
 
 
Mike
10:31 / 23.01.03
I am also very interested in these 'nano-servitors' - I would like to tie them in to the context of the holographic paradigm.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:42 / 24.01.03
Unlike most servitors that are created to work somewhere in the outside world. My nano-servitors are designed to exist and function only inside my body. Actually they work on the cellular and molecular level. They serve a variety of tasks like:

1) Suppliment my immune system by aggressively attacking all hostile viruses and organisms. (They are the Calvary.)

2) Heal all wounds quickly and cleanly. (I cut myself on the brow last week It was a pretty nasty gash. This week it's completely gone. Not even a trace of a scar.)

3) Increase strength. (I see more muscle. It's like I've been taking creatine but, um, I haven't!)

4) Enhance senses. (There was a gas leak at my job the other day and I was the only one that "smelled" it. When the technician came he said the gas was odorless!)

5) Increase concentration, attention, focus. (I've become a writing machine!)

6) Enhance memory. (Lt. Commander fucking Data over here.)

The actual program was more detailed but you get the picture. I then drew the sigil on a tiny piece of paper and swallowed it. That activated and spread the collective. It works on the principle of "mind over matter" only it's unconscious cause I let the nano-servators take care of it.
 
 
Mike
17:44 / 24.01.03
I just swallowed mine

I'll try anything once! ;-)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:02 / 24.01.03
Yay! Nano-servitors! I'm gonna try it too-- I've been attempting to hax0r my autonomic functions for months now but I've had no luck. Nanoservitors would provide me with a handy interface.

Think I'll have a shot at this next Thurday (30-1-03), because I'm getting my Reiki attunement on the same day. Should be a fun evening.
 
 
Tamayyurt
18:04 / 24.01.03
You know, my nano-servitors would fit in nicely in the Body Alchemy thread.
 
 
Mike
18:08 / 24.01.03
I work on the comittee of a Poetry Slam in my local area, and if I noticed any of that going on MrCoffeBean, I'd make you drink some of Jasper's coffee! (http://jtbc.net)
 
 
-=Velius=-
21:33 / 25.01.03
I have found a fairly interesting way to work my sigils. Being that I am fairly Connected with water, a lot of my work is done in/near/around water. WRiting sigils on bathroom mirrors in the steam of a shower has allowed for it to "be there" and yet, not. Since there is a lot of Energy work that takes place in the bathroom (All Three people in the house have connections/meditations that are done within the bathroom), it allows for the sigil to be charged almost constantly! And as for forgetting the sigil - well, someone will Eventually wipe the mirror to use it after a shower!


-=Velius=-
 
 
penitentvandal
10:35 / 26.01.03
I do a lot of energy work in the bathroom myself. Often using special sacred grimoires with wipe-clean pages...

I created myself a nano-servitor array late last year, to replace my last general purpose servitor after it decided to go walkabout. I haven't thought about using them for any internal stuff, though, impulsivelad - fortunately I gave them a 'learning' function whereby I can teach 'em new commands as and when necessary, so I'll definitely have a go at adapting them for a little body alchemy. Targeted in the region of the stomach chakra, I think, this not being too far since Turkeymas...

Nano-servitors: what all the coolest magicians are using this season...
 
 
-=Velius=-
13:41 / 26.01.03
velvet wrote: I do a lot of energy work in the bathroom myself. Often using special sacred grimoires with wipe-clean pages...

I don't think I ever thought of using a wipe-clean page grimoire. Might be an interesting idea to work with.

Do you copy any of it into a paper grimoire for later use, or do you allow it to be "for the moment"?

-=Velius=-
 
 
penitentvandal
14:36 / 26.01.03
I dunno..I was just making a cheap porn gag.

Those little whiteboards you can get would be useful for sigils, though, wouldn't they?
 
 
-=Velius=-
14:48 / 26.01.03
[/me hangs head in shame for missing a cheap porn joke]
I just can't believe. That really isn't like me.

Either way, I could see the use of a wipeboard for sigil work. I may have to give this idea a go. Thanks!

-=Velius=-
 
  
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