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Who would watch The Watchmen?

 
 
Knight's Move
18:13 / 14.01.03
I don't mean to reopen the classic cast debate or the why comic book movies suck debate and sorry if this has already been covered by someone or if it is wrong or anything else but I was just wondering if anyone knew any more about the Watchmen film.

Now IMDB have nothing but Empire (Feb 2003) (normally fairly good on this sort of thing) have reported that David "X-Men" Hayter is planning to start shooting this year with Willem "Green Goblin" Dafoe as Rorschach and Bruce "John McClane" Willis as the Comedian.

Now, is this in the slightest true, has any one heard anything and what are they doing?

...the most faithful adaptation that I can possibly think of.

according to Moore himself.

Willis has a certain amoral All-American hero thing but is he too much of a funny guy for the Comedian (oh the irony...)?

Dafoe. Rorschach. Well if he can rememeber how to act as opposed to chewing the scenery...

Hayter. Well X-Men was not a bad film, just a terrible adaptation. And a fairly bad (if enjoyable and watchable) film...

Can you say From Hell? Or am I being harsh on something I haven't seen yet? Will League be any cop?
 
 
gridley
19:12 / 14.01.03
I doubt you can make a completely satisfying film of Watchmen, but I hope lots of Hollywood folks die trying. Awfully long story though... they should get Peter Jackson to do it as a trilogy...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
19:56 / 14.01.03
And of course Doc Manhattan is the perfect CGI character...he doesn't have to look real.
 
 
Lurid Archive
20:47 / 14.01.03
I dunno, they sound like reasonable people to cast if you ask me. Willis has done some surprisingly ok stuff like Twelve Monkeys and Unbreakable and Dafoe does sordid pretty well - remember Wild At Heart?

I sorta agree with the assessment of X-Men though.

In the end, Watchmen is one of the only comics that makes good use of the medium and as such will lose much in the transition to film.
 
 
The Monkey
21:42 / 14.01.03
It doesn't sound like horrible casting. Willis actually has a sort of double-meaning playing the part, what with his typical casting, and he has proved capable of flexion of the standard good-guy role. Dafoe is an interesting choice...he does make for a good physical representation of Rorschach, but I think he need benzies and tracheotomy to keep for lunging at the sets with that terrifying fish-maw of his.

I still don't think that Watchmen translates to film well. There simply isn't enough room in a three-hour film for the nuances and the bringing together of the seperate threads of plot...what Lurid said.
 
 
A
12:53 / 15.01.03
Willis does seem to be a pretty good choice for the Comedian, I think. He can actually act, yet is convincing as an action-hero type, a combination not too many actors possess, but one that would be eseential for playing the Comedian.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:35 / 15.01.03
Willis is a very good choice for the Comedian.

The thing is about Watchmen, for it to work, you can't play it as a comicbook film. It just can't have that Batman/X Men/Whatever vibe.
 
 
gridley
13:36 / 15.01.03
I hope they hire someone who's actually fat to play Dan. It would suck if they got some pretty boy to play him....
 
 
Jack Fear
13:51 / 15.01.03
John Ritter would be a perfect Dan Dreiberg.

That is all.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:54 / 15.01.03
I think that casting sounds pretty good.

I always thought the comic was a bit dull, anyway.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:11 / 15.01.03
I wouldn't trust Empire's reporting on the cast, Adam. Other than Hayter writing the screenplay on it, nothing's really moved on it at all.
 
 
gridley
20:56 / 15.01.03
can they still decimate half of New York City? something tells me.... no.
 
 
Knight's Move
21:49 / 15.01.03
I dunno Gridley, it would be an interesting irony that NYC is decimated in order to promote world peace as everyone fears the unknown alien, whereas, the decimation of NYC in reality leads to fear, hatred and war because of the unknown alien...Nah you're right they'll probably flatten Chicago or Washington or...sweet Jesus no...save New York in the nick of time.

God that would suck hard.
 
 
PatrickMM
00:08 / 16.01.03
I think that casting sounds pretty good. I still think Deniro would be perfect for the comedian, but Willis is a good choice. Hayter's script is supposedly excellent, at least according to a rave review from aint it cool news a while back. There's a lot in the comic to be adapted, and I think the most important thing to do is not approach it as an action film, just build a world, and make the characters to exist in it.

While it does use the comics medium in an incredible way, there are also a lot of very cinematic panels, and sometimes when reading it I can almost see the camera moves in my mind. It's certainly more cinematic than many comics for the simple fact that it has no thought balloons and no omniscient narrator.

I hope the ending remains unaltered. That's what makes the entire book, and I think it would be even more powerful after 9/11. The only problem with that ending is it would probably be spoiled by the media before most people see the film, because of the the "controversy."
 
 
gridley
14:21 / 16.01.03
Here's some bits from the review Patrick mentions....

He’s written the first comic book screenplay to treat its source material as literature, and he’s crafted this with all the care and complexity of end-of-the-year Oscar bait....

This isn’t just great film writing; it’s the very model for how to adapt something and preserve it intact while still making the hard choices that anyone faces when translating something from one media to another....

Moore’s story is remarkably elegant, and Hayter has been very careful not to upset the way Moore constructed it in the first place. Dialogue, descriptions, even camera angles seem to be carefully transcribed. There is essentially no invention here. I can count the number of things that Hayter has created for this script on one hand....

So many of the things I was afraid would be gone are still here, and somehow, Hayter makes this thing actually feel leisurely. My favorite chapter from the original is Chapter IV, which deals with Dr. Manhattan’s self-imposed exile to Mars, where he finds himself adrift in time, buffeted by memory like a storm, and I was sure that this would be short-changed in the film. Instead, it’s preserved intact, and it’s just as haunting and poetic and sad....

Do they really do it? Do they still do what they did in the book? Do they still do that to New York? Yes and no... He didn’t tone down the idea... just the stink and the stacks of bodies. He doesn’t rub our nose in something that would be unbearable. Instead, he’s found an elegant way to handle it.


All right, I'm excited now...

(excerpted from http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=13607)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:32 / 16.01.03
Cheers, grant. I was trying to remember where I'd read that. He also mentions, however, that we don't get a giant beaky 'alien' at the end of Hayter's script. Be interesting to find out his alternative...

..but then, does anyone really think that this'll ever get the go-ahead?
 
 
rizla mission
14:49 / 16.01.03
There is surely not any way anyone (except possibly a well-funded eccentric genius director working out of range of Hollywood for many, many years) could make an adequate adaption of Watchmen, any more than those chuckleheads could make a decent version of From Hell..

In addition to Moore's scripts being pitched at about 1000 times the depth and density of a Hollywood comic apation script, I think the basic differences between an extremely long, detailed comic and a 2 hour film make a successful adaption near impossible, even if there were decent people in charge, and there won't be.

Surely anyone with an ounce of common sense would just give up the idea and make some slightly more feasible big budget fare instead..

But then I suppose we all knew that already.
 
  
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