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It Is Time To Learn pt. II

13:21 / 12.01.03

Joe, and whomever else, allow me to start up a sequel that is free from the excess baggage of the original thread.

You state that it is time to learn, so, you say:

I have noticed a wide range of interests and levels out here and due to the importance of the coming year I believe that those of us who are more experienced and knowledgeable should begin making a series of points of instruction and understanding.

1) What is the specific importance of the coming year to you? What differentiates it from last year, and the year before last, and the year before, etc.?

2) You state that you are more experienced, and reasoning from the fact that this is a Magick thread, you must mean all the nifty abilities of a psychic, a shaman, a divinator(sp?), etc; what exactly are those experiences? Must you attract people with the same experiences, or can they/we learn along the way?

3) What is the proposed result that you hope to achieve with these point of instructions?

Joe wrote:

I have taught others before, but I am not perfect, and so request some suggestions as to layout and formulisation before we commence.

Speaking personally, I would say at no point must it be of an exclusive nature, everyone must be able to understand (or learn aling the way) and participate.

So, I have loads more, but feel free to build up from my questions, to include your original reasons for starting up a thread here.

05:03 / 15.01.03

Thank you for answering me in a sensible way and being willing to talk rto me without simply abusing me.
I want to teach anyone who is willing to learn regardless of their level of ability. I have alot of specific abilities I would rather not get into as they all lead to me getting abused. I have however, dvoted my life to magick and have given up everything to expand my understanding of the universe and now after lifetimes of work and sacrifice bit has come together in a way where I feel I can help and with the importance of things to come it is time to start working.
I agree that no magickal practice is mutually exclusive, as I said I have studied many different forms.
This year is heralding the beginning of a change. The astral is filled with fighting, on Earth the global economy is weakening there is conflict in Iraq, Israel, North Korea is developing Nukes. There is a lot of danger brewing. At the same time global interest in magick and spiritualism is growing. With increased communications technology such as the internet we can get our messages spre\ad easier. The age of Aquarius and the Aeon of Horus ar4e upon us we have the chance to evolve spiritually sdo we should help the world whatever way we can.

15:14 / 15.01.03

So lets get on with it already, eh?

18:11 / 15.01.03

Hey Joe
Stop sounding like a pretentious cock and just get it off your chest. If you are such an experienced practitioner then why do you come across in such an arrogant 'know it all' way? Ever heard of Humility as being the best way to address in the communication of information. If you have much useful information then this will convey your credentials better than words that brings forth ego.

Here is an extract from Liber, Null & Psychonaut

19:48 / 15.01.03

Will you think I'm crazy?, that last page, there is a symbol visible -- what exactly is it?

19:50 / 15.01.03

That'd be one of the lovely illustrations of chaos demons scatterd through the book bleeding through from the next page, I believe.

20:10 / 15.01.03

Joe, you say:

"This year is heralding the beginning of a change."

How? Didn't last year herald the beginning of change?

Or didn't 2001 herald the beginning of change?

Or didn't 2000 herald the beginning of change?

Or didn't 1999 herald the beginning of change?

Or -- etc.

Joe wrote: "The astral is filled with fighting"

Examples please. How are fights made in the astral? What consequences do they have on us? Who fight? Who's winning? For what? Why?

"At the same time global interest in magick and spiritualism is growing."

Again, examples, please. Which form of magick and spiritualism is growing? Hasn't magick and spiritualism always been around, under the guises of many religions and beliefs? What makes this growth superior/different/better/worse than the last growth? How do you measure growth?

we have the chance to evolve spiritually

Don't we always have the chance to evolve spiritually?

22:24 / 15.01.03

Possibly Joe is trying to say something I broadly agree with, but in a more grandiose way, e.g.

'the astral is filled with fighting'

when ran through the incredible intergalactic vandaltranslator, becomes:

'the geopolitical situation at the moment is rather tense, with a notable probability of war in the Gulf, the continuing Arab-Israeli tension, a concomitant yet slow-burning deepening of hostilities between Russia and Chechnya, border tensions in the Kashmir region, the recent difficulty with North Korea, and the ongoing paranoia of TWAT (The War Against Terror). This is causing rather a lot of bad vibes for quite a few people.'

Similarly

'global interest in magick and spirituality is growing = 'there appears to have been a renewed interest in 'magickal' themes both in pop culture in general and in youth culture in particular, with the popularity of Harry Potter, Buffy, the Matrix, the Tolkien resurgence, and all those teenwicca books in Waterstones at the moment'.

This may be why I don't like people picking on Joe - at times he seems like a vainer, more confused version of me. Come to think of it, my middle name's 'Joseph' - maybe there's some kind of Tyler Durden thing going on here?

Oh no! Must...resist...solipsism...

05:47 / 16.01.03

The aeon of Horus and age of Aquarius are here. Things are changing as Velvet has said. Those who use the astral can see what is there, and I am sure most of us know the comment "as above so below". Many magi are at combat on the astral, trying to pervert fate and reality, and fulfil there own selfish desires.
I will leave you with this comment then I will sign off for a month for my travels around China. I will look in every now and again and if any wish to talk with me PM or e-mail me. When I next comment here I will have a long lesson to add.
The world is filled with such beauty and magicks for all to see and so few will take the time to look on and give heed. We all creatures of the universe filled with energies, magicks and emotions. We should protect our mother Earth and our fellow creatures in any way possible. Nobody is perfect but together we are the gretesty creation in the galaxy. Let us not fight and squabble but attempt to assist each other and fate as a whole.
See you on the astral.

07:42 / 16.01.03

This is very frustrating Joe, because I have now written 3 emails to your given email address, but haven't received any reply whatsoever. I should think that most of the material in them were charged enough to warrant an investigation from your part, but perhaps not?

Or were you waiting for the right time?

trouser the trouserian

09:57 / 16.01.03

The aeon of Horus and age of Aquarius are here. etc...

Hm, brings to mind a sorceror's drinking song:
(tune - Any old Iron)

Any old Aeon, any old Aeon, any any any old a-eon
look out world, 'ere it comes
eight-rayed stars and very 'ard sums
Any old Aeon, any old Aeon, any any any old a-eon
it's our en-ter-prise to immeman-tize
the a-eon, the a-eon!
nah-nah-nah-naha
nah-nah-nah-naha
stick it up yer chakras, awright!

16:16 / 16.01.03

Joe you talk and talk and talk about the same stuff that most homegrown gurus talk about, with little modesty. I doubt you have much to offer as read in your last posts. Go to China and maybe they'll teach you to be less ego'testicle'.

'All that I tell you is true and false and meaningless.'

'O hail Eris!'

16:32 / 16.01.03

I suspect that one fights on the astral using PokeMon, or possibly Duel Monsters cards.