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HERON / HEROD

 
 
000
10:45 / 11.01.03
I am going to rely on you nice folks for the explanation of these 2.

Where do they come from? Significance? Do they share a common root?

My memory serves that Herod was once the symbol of the phoenix but was adopted to the Jesus Christ figure, and was hencewith interpreted as a fish symbol; yeah?
 
 
000
19:08 / 11.01.03
Too obscure for you lot, I take it?

 
 
Utopia
19:49 / 11.01.03
I may be mistaken, but wasn't Herod the ruler who ordered all the wee Jewish tykes killed to prevent the coming of Jesus?

You'd be surprised how obscure this lot gets, just be patient...

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Kobol Strom
22:00 / 11.01.03
They share a very vague commonality,from what I can tell.

Early Christians believed the Phoenix’s cycle of life and death made it a symbol of Jesus’ resurrection.The myth of the Phoenix was known to many cultures. Ancient Egypt had the Bennu-bird,which means "to rise". -theirs was the plume-crowned heron that discovered the first island in the primordial ocean.

(Heron: is associated with morning, and is the first bird to salute the dawn. A heron also tied in with regeneration of life. A heron provides for its young like a stork. It is associated with longevity, silent memory, overcoming danger, indiscretion,
dual nature: because of it amphibious nature, and melancholy.)

The heron is sacred to the Muses and is related to priesthood. Herons are seen as a favorable of men. When heron’s leave the marsh and fly above the clouds they announce the coming of a storm.

-It would seem like the natural successor to the Eagle that appeared in Herod's symbol, that he had stamped on his coinage,which was the pagan caduceus,which depicted 2 serpents on a eagle winged stick.



The word 'fish" ,in Greek ,forms a rebus:

Each of the letters in this rebus represents a special meaning to the ‘born-again’
Christian: The first represents the name ‘Jesus’ which in Greek is pronounced ‘Iesous’.
The second letter stands for ‘Christos’, which is the Greek form of the Jewish word ‘Messiah’, which translates into English as ‘Annointed One’. The third letter represents the Greek word ‘Theou’, which translates as ‘God’ or ‘of God’. The fourth letter stands
for ‘Uios’ and translates as ‘Son’. The last letter represents the Greek word ‘Sooteer’ - meaning ‘Saviour’. The full meaning of the the entire Greek word translates therefore,
as ‘Jesus Christ, Son of God, Saviour’.

So,the link between Herod and Heron,could just be speculative.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:19 / 14.01.03
I'm not sure what you're looking for here. If you're looking for linguistic links between the two words, then you're on to a bit of a non-starter: The word "heron", meaning a wading bird of the family Ardeidae, is Middle English derived from Old French and Germanic in origin. Mr. Heron is associated with Christ because he catches fish; you know, the whole "I will make you fishers of men" bit.

Herod, meanwhile, was the King of Judea. He's associated with Jesus because he tried to kill him, ordering the mas-murder of all the children in Bethlehem under the age of two. His name means "son of a hero". (I'm sure we can all come up with better ones, some of them commencing "son of a..." but probably not ending in "hero".)

There's also an Alexandrian scientist who was known variously as Hero or Heron. He devised the formula for finding the area of a triangle and came up with a bunch of designs for water and steam engines. I can't for the life of me concieve of a link between any of the above, but then the wind is Southerly today and I can tell a hawk from a hanser.
 
  
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