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Should I Join The Masons?

 
  

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TheOtherPondSide
21:33 / 07.04.04
You're so full of shit. First off, Masons are forbidden from inviting people to join. Second, women cannot be Masons, so your "old men and women" comment is a load of shit.
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:39 / 08.04.04
Women can't be masons?

Depends on the Lodge...

 
 
Shanghai Quasar
01:16 / 08.04.04
How do you know so much about Masons, OtherSide? Is it possible that... YOU'RE A MASON?

Also, if you are, how do you recruit if you're not allowed to invite people to join? Abduction?
 
 
frownland
14:07 / 09.04.04
C'mon Shanghai, don't you remember the Stonecutters episode of the Simpsons? "Be the son of a member, or save the life of a member"
Actually, I am the son of a freemason, and I know virtually nothing but what the Simpsons taught me.....
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:06 / 11.04.04
According to some of the websites, to join all you have to do is ask! Much easier than I thought...
 
 
freejack2012
14:52 / 20.04.04
Hello All!!

just to add a little info to the conversation, I have a grandfather that was a mason( incredible for those times and for Boston, 'cause he was black) and his wife belonged to a sister organization called the nothern stars(for the wives). I have always been curious, and have read a couple of books about it. I have also been approached to join by a guy in his late twenties(working on a tv shoot). It seems that the masons of today are quite different that those of the previous generation...image change? All I can definately say is on the toic of why join, is that there are definate networking opportunities. Once I identified the masonic art work in the building and told him about my grandfather, I was his guy for the rest of the shoot, and he freely gave me his number for further conversation. I do plan on going to one of the temples here in boston, identifying myself and seeing what they have to offer. I'll keep posting so that anyone interested can follow the story.

freejack2012
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
20:21 / 20.04.04
I'm a mason. It's a lot closer to the hot dogs and picnic than the Men Who Run The World, TM.

There are two decent occultists in my lodge, one former OTO, the other the non-thelemeic branch of Ecclesiastica Catholica Gnostica, plus Martinist stuff I think.

I, personally, was blown on my ass by one of the initial three degrees, and found the other enhanced my understanding of a lot of stuff without necessarily having anything said. I think there's a magical current there, but it's hard to estimate how much force it has: could be a little, could be a lot.

But in the purely physical world, it's a lot closer to the hot dogs.
 
 
beelzebub jones
03:38 / 21.04.04
join join join. homer simpson did and had all kinds of cool benefits, secret undergroud expressways to work. fancy garb and secret shit and if you have any political aspirations, it's almost a prerequisit. of course there is always reverand sun yung moon. or the hari kirshnas or the daughters of the british empire or american revelution or scientology or est. none of them can boast jack the ripper or bill clinton as members. and the temples are a groovy example of over the top architecture and as far as i know women ARE welcome. and from the looks of things the new stone age is just around the corner.
 
 
Tom Morris
09:42 / 21.04.04
After a few minutes of Googling...
http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/ask-a.htm
If you are religious, like hanging out with men and such, it sounds like a good deal. Personally, I'm a rampant atheist and prefer the company of both sexes, so it's not really my sort of gig.
 
 
bjacques
11:01 / 21.04.04
I've got some friends who hoped to slowly take over a lodge and introduce Sufism and stuff about the Old Man of the Mountain and the Assassins. It didn't come off. I heard a wild story that one of the guys involved got born again and queered the deal by saying his former friends were all devil worshippers. The guy who'd actually thought the idea up said, no, the present Masonic leadership weren't going anywhere soon so it wasn't worth the wait.

Join if they have really cool temple, like the one on 16th St. NW in Washington, DC, or the giant obelisky thingy in Alexandria VA by the Metro stop. It's also the Masonic Museum and well worth a visit. The big temple in London near Covent Garden is also open to visit most days.

I thought at 33rd Degree you became a Shriner. There are 33 Shrine Temples, with names like al-Cazar or al-Amein but no Al-Amut...
 
 
farseer /pokes out an i
15:39 / 23.04.04
So, my father's side of the family had a bunch of masons in it. I wasn't interested in it, nor knew much about it until I visited an old Shitcago graveyard with headstones so old the names had worn away, but not their mason sigils. That reminded me, and I asked my dad about it. He said he didn't join 'cuz his wife (my mom) was Luthern, and they forbade it.

In the interum, I read RAW's works and much of them had at least something creepy and something positive to say about masonry. Since then I'd talked to a few masons about why they joined, etc.

A few weeks ago (a week? last week? ah, time...) I asked to join, and was directed to pick up a petition at a local scottish rite temple. Talked to the 33' behind the big desk and the converstation was definitely slanted to feel me out on a few issues (like belief in a supreme being/some kind of divinity- which is pretty loosely definable by all mason's i've spoken to). He said that Masonry hadn't gotten many applicants because of the 60's youth counter culture ("Parents did Masonry, and nobody wanted to be like their parents) and so "an entire generation was skipped". Thus their more active recruiting efforts, which as far as I know (and as far as they say) is totally unprecedented. It's been ancient tradition that you have to ask to join, and sometimes folks require you to ask 3 times.

So I picked up my petition, filled it out, got some signatures... really the worst part was figuring out all the places I've lived in the past 15 years...

I got a call and a letter saying that there was a fellowship meet & greet going on in the evening, and was invited. I went with a friend of mine who was also interested in masonry. The folks I spoke to while eating dinner were of all age, race, and personaility types. Heard some cool personal stories. Told a few myself. I was overall impressed by their politeness and sincerity (I had gotten up to get some ice cream, and my cup was empty. When I came back someone had already tossed it out for me. totally unexpeted.) One of the more lively dressed men sat down while no one else was around and asked discreetly if we were involved with CMA (Council of Magical Arts in central texas)... we said yes, and he advised that we "should for now keep it on the down low, but there was definitely interest in the lodge". He asked if we were interested in the esoteric side of things, and we concurred, not really knowing how much would be smart to share.

Afterwards, something unprecedented happened- at the time I had no idea it hadn't ever happened before because it was all very cool and non-pomp. All the petitioners there walked down into the temple (which was very occulty, very hermetic) and sat down in front of a throne-like dias. The rest of the masons sat around the edges, and we had a pretty informative question & answer session. My friend and I asked all the questions save one (where they prompted the other petitioners to ask something.) None of my questions were evaded, though they did tend to give way more information then I was looking for. They recommended joining the "Research Lodge" if we had interest in the esoteric side of stuff. After the Q&A they had us get up on the dias and take a picture of us for their newsletter. Very grown up boy scout-like.

By the by, during the Q&A they stated that it wasn't a christian organization (although some individual members might assert that it was to them), and that recently a buddhist had joined and swore on their own religious book, and a Muslim had joined and swore on the Quran. So, it's not just bible thumpers. Though like all things I'm sure there are bible thumpers in the masons.

Overall, my impressions from what they told us, what I've read, and my own converstations with other masons, masonry is a fraternal order (with very few "secrets") that goals itself at a) charitable contributions to the world at large (free hospitals, etc.) and b) providing it's members a "moral compass" for decision making.

I've read a lot about the inside deals and whatnot that occur, but in some ways, if you were a mason, and you had the choice between doing buisness with someone who you knew took binding oaths on "proper moral conduct" (not lying, being fair, compassionate to humanity, acceptance of universal brotherhood of man, etc.) or someone you knew nothing about and might be more likely to cheat you? I get that.

Additionally, no matter what has changed since (and the flaws with them), masonry pretty much shaped america's declaration of independance and constitution. It was 'their' grand experiement on "Liberty" and personal freedom that started america. I respect that in some ways.

So, if you're looking for an initiatory experience where you must memorize essentially a catachism of moral behavior, and you want to have the resources of one of the world's oldest organizations at your disposal for esoteric (hermetic) studies, masonry might be right for you. It's my understanding that a lot of lodges are very different, some are men's clubs, others are way esoteric. There's even a Theosophy lodge near Dallas.
 
 
farseer /pokes out an i
16:38 / 23.04.04
amusing clarifications:

to qualify for the Shriner PrC, you must:

be a Master Mason (3rd degree blue lodge mason)
have 10 ranks in Knowledge: Masonry.

It used to be that you had to already be a member of the Scottish Rite PrC. Not anymore. That was part of the Q&A.
 
 
assayudin
02:08 / 07.03.06
You're so full of shit. First off, Masons are forbidden from inviting people to join. Second, women cannot be Masons, so your "old men and women" comment is a load of shit.

My understanding here (I've been looking to join a lodge) is that you still have to ask to become one.

Order of the Eastern Star are the female order of Masons, both my grandmothers were OES. Also there is Co-Masonry which is occultish (Theosophist) that accepts men and women. I'm leaning towards it, but the closest lodge is in Atlanta and none of the "regular" masonic lodges accept them as valid. Also in the South the lodges have in the past been split on racial lines.
 
 
Flegetanis
22:34 / 26.04.06
Farseer: you had some great things to say; I'm wondering if you followed through and received any degrees?
 
 
lekvar
00:29 / 27.04.06
I've been playing with the notion of asking to join. The problem is I'm an atheist. I could (and have in the past, for the sake of social harmony) fake a belief so long as it wasn't a constant subject of conversation. I mean, I believe that the Sun is going to rise from the horizon each morning, I have faith in a Unified Field Theory. Will this be enough, can I just smile and nod? Or are my beliefs going to be scrutinized?
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
10:29 / 29.04.06
Just to clear up a point made earlier. To join the Masons you don't need to have a belief in 'God' or 'Christ'. The only religious prerequisite is that you have an undertsanding that the universe has a 'Great Architect.' Be that Allah, Christ, Zeus or even the Flying Pink Unicorn.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:47 / 29.04.06
What I'm not seeing is any argument for joining. What's the point of masoning up? Is it the male bonding? The cheap bar? The groovy outfits? There was a Masonic Lodge in the village I grew up in and they were a motley crew. You saw them en masse at every lodge member's funeral but otherwise we relied on tittle tattle about insider job opportunities and strange admission ceremonials to explain it all.
 
  

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