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Jack In The Smoke: Anyone around on the weekend of 24/25/26 January?

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12:18 / 19.01.03

I will be there, of that have no fear.

Pin, I find the idea the of you being there quite terrifying.

They're grrls-kicking-yo-ass music, Bill. Grrls kicking yo' ass!

Kewl, I'll be up for that if £ allows.

JC means what?

A pub (bar) called the Jourene Celeste, which is very close to Kentish Town tube (subway) station, which is on the Northern Line, just north of central London, Kings Cross etc etc. Someone who recalls which way one walks from that station will post to say how exactly to get there (got shit for brains today).

Regrettable Juvenilia

12:55 / 19.01.03

Turn left out of the tube, and it's on yr left after about three minutes.

13:19 / 19.01.03

ooh.ooh.

The Valerie gig has swung me.

Very possibly considering spending too much £ on a train ticket...

Assuming nobody minds of course.

(And assuming trains still exist, which they don't fucking seem to on Mondays, but that's another matter..)

Jack The Bodiless

17:00 / 20.01.03

Dude! Rizla in tha house! etc etc.

Old brown-eye is back

11:59 / 21.01.03

Will be there, my lazy ass permitting. (Are Valerie tickets being purchased on the door?)

14:22 / 21.01.03

Rizla in tha house!

Not in my house, thanks, I know what he's like. Actually, sorry, Riz, I must remember not to keep mentioning your wall-to-wall vomiting episode. Seriously, it'll be kewl to see ya, you lil' puke-monster you.

Jack The Bodiless

15:37 / 21.01.03

Right then... I'll be in the Jorene Celeste (Kentish Town tube, turn left out of station, walk for thirty seconds, pub on the corner. Rather nice thai food...) from about four pm on Saturday. People turn up as and when they can/want, I'll read a book if anyone's late. Go to bar, see band around eightish. Fall over around ten. Get up again around eleven. Stay up all night talking about Thomas Kuhn, Johnny Cash and the Moomins. Or possibly just fall asleep. Who's to say?

15:42 / 21.01.03

I believe I shall be there, finances permitting!

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:47 / 21.01.03

I shall attempt to, even if only briefly- I have other getting pissed to do, but I think that should be later.

Goodness Gracious Meme

16:21 / 21.01.03

no can do, i'm afraid. Have a good one, darling.

07:22 / 22.01.03

sorry I can't make it, have fun.

09:57 / 22.01.03

I'll be there, and the gig finishes at 2, as ther's DJ sets from Everett True and Mai Clarke, and there's two otehr bands on the bill.

I don't know how long I'll be around at nite, as it all depends on when my sister can come get me and take me to her new house.

Old brown-eye is back

12:29 / 22.01.03

Why did no one tell me that gobshite was doing a DJ set? Oh well, will just have to try and be a little tipsy by then.

Goodness Gracious Meme

12:50 / 22.01.03

Just thank yer lucky stars he isn't playing his guitar and singing. I've seen this. It's not pretty. Really.

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:06 / 22.01.03

Don't be a hater.

(This written before b.i.p. posted - she's right about the singing. Although it's oddly sweet to see someone risking ridicule in such a way - which basically sums up how I feel about ET: at least he's making the Christing effort. Ne hatez pas.)

Old brown-eye is back

13:35 / 22.01.03

I'm allowed to hate Everett True, or whosoever I desire I think you'll find Mr Fly. Last time I looked - which admittedly was the Melody Maker in 1992 - he was a pretentious, no writing-talent, Seattle royalty worshipping little freak of a man. What's changed in the meantime? Did I miss a meeting? As for his at least making an effort - that's fine but can he not, like, go and do it somewhere else?

Or perhaps I'm being unfair.

Old brown-eye is back

13:51 / 22.01.03

Other people famous for making an effort:

Jade from Big Brother
Osama Bin Laden
Joey Deacon

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:19 / 22.01.03

What's changed in the meantime?

Well, he's co-founded a new music magazine, Careless Talks Costs Lives, which does a pretty good job of offering a much-needed alternative to the shattered ruins of the music press, and shock horror, actually promotes new bands, even if they have girls in them. As far as I can tell, this is something True and Steve Gullick have to put money into rather than making money out of, and True seems to write vast chunks of text for every issue - you could call that ego, but you'd have to concede that it also takes a fuck of a lot of hard work. CTCL isn't flawless, but you can practically smell the LOVE that goes into it - give me another music publication about which one could the same right now.

In addition, Careless Talk is involved in organising nights like the one on Saturday, which amongst other things showcase new and up-and-coming bands. But fine, whatever, I guess these people *have* committed the crime of putting themselves on the line for music they care about, so why not snipe from the sidelines like evrybody else - that's what people seem to think the internet is for...

Old brown-eye is back

14:39 / 22.01.03

I was really only looking for an excuse to use the word gobshite in a post, but now seem to have been drawn into (or set off, even) some kind of indie punch up. Hey ho. Ok then, Careless Talk Costs Lives sounds fab - although the fact that you both automatically knew I was talking about Everett True must say something.

14:47 / 22.01.03

I was umming and ahhing about whether I should spend more cash going to London, after spending a frightening amount the other day, but..

..the fact it's a whole Careless Talk.. do (all their previous line-ups have sounded shockingly good!) confirms my YES vote.

And the fact that it'll be really cool to see all you folks again of course..

(And I likes Everett True a lot - even leaving aside the fact that he's in charge of the first magazine I've ever actually wanted to swear allegiance to rather than merely gripe about, you've gotta have love for a guy who many years ago claimed to be in a band, and actually got booked to play somewhere, and it was just him, with no instruments, bellowing Ramones songs. And I think he's a good writer too, so leave him be, damn it!)

(And come now, Bill, twas hardly 'wall to wall' vomiting.. I think it was fairly successfully contained vomiting considering I couldn't tell which way was down at the time..)

14:50 / 22.01.03

the fact that you both automatically knew I was talking about Everett True must say something.

Well I don't think anyone here would dare describe Mia Clarke as a 'gobshite'.. :P

15:01 / 22.01.03

Who even is she? I actually have no idea at all, but I know she wrote the review of Valerie which led to me trying to imagine what thery sounded like for months and months. I still don't know.

And I like True's style. He has a stupid fake name and just sort of bumbles about his favourite bands and how much he likes women. He'd probablly be very bad if he didn't do things like let people he doesn't like (Conor "gitfaced whinny irritating shithead how much more does he want to be like the bits of me I don't like??" Oberst) on the front cover of his magazine, apparently on the grounds that one of the other guys likes him lots.

Basically, he's cool. And if I had the guts, I'd go up to him on Saturday and shake his hands and pay him back the £1 I owe him.

16:31 / 22.01.03

[oldie showing off]I remember Everett True when he was simply known as the Legend, which his jangly pop fanzine was also called.[/oldie showing off]

Old brown-eye is back

17:28 / 22.01.03

"Well, I don't think anyone here would dare to describe Mia Clarke as a 'gobshite'"

Literally, no one would dare? Blimey. Why not? Who is she?

17:52 / 22.01.03

(And come now, Bill, twas hardly 'wall to wall' vomiting.. I think it was fairly successfully contained vomiting considering I couldn't tell which way was down at the time..)

Did I ever claim not to deploy a certain amount of artistic license?

Okay, I will state on record that you did in fact puke like a true professional. Had it been me, I wouldn't even have got near the toilet. And you claim to be inexperienced in this area, which only makes your display of pukemanship all the finer.

Oh and re: this thread generally, y'know I have no idea what it's about any more? Puke anecdotes aside, I am well-ignorant of this alt. music malarchy. D'you think they'll be playing any Marillion, or is that asking too much? (Jack, back me up if they all get snipey, yeah?)

18:40 / 22.01.03

Actually, having been physically incapable of bothering to get any revision done for Friday, I have come to the conclusion that Mia Clarke is not only a "contributing editor" for CTCL, but is the guitarist in Electrelane.

This not only puts her above reporach, but if we slag her off we might make autopilot cry.

Jack The Bodiless

20:53 / 22.01.03

But fine, whatever, I guess these people *have* committed the crime of putting themselves on the line for music they care about, so why not snipe from the sidelines like evrybody else - that's what people seem to think the internet is for...

This is irony-free, isn't it? Cripes.

Oh, and just to keep the off-topic aflame, (paraphrasechrismorrisgo) I hate Everett True. And Careless Talk Costs Lives. Godawful, embarrassing and tawdry rag that it is. NME, Daily Star of music papers that it is, doesn't actually define the words 'pretentious' and 'self-righteous', having abandoned any pretense at actually being a decent stab at music journalism a loooong time ago.

This is not to say, of course, that the idea of the paper isn't a wonderful one, and one that someone should have had the balls to try a decade ago (and whatever his, probably arguable, faults, no one can accuse True of being lacking in testicular fortitude) - it's just that I don't think this is anywhere approaching 'it'. I feel myself cringing every time I read True's writing, his recent 'interview' of Nick Cave being a perfect (and perfectly awful) example. And that's with me liking - and in some cases loving - a fair proportion of the music they cover.

Anyway. Wonderful that I shall be catching up with so many of you more of you than I expected, especially some of you not from London, and cheers to the inestimable Superfly for dangling the 'cool gig' carrot for everyone.

PS: spooks has left the building as of seven this morning. She'll still be on the plane right now. I am Jack's horrible feeling of loneliness...

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:21 / 23.01.03

So that's:

4pm - meet in pub.

8pm - go to gig.

1am - engage in massive, brutal, drunken, 'Riot at Everett's'-style punch-up.

(Incidentally, sfd - ET's been gigging as The Legend again - b.i.p., myself and some other 'Lithers witnessed him doing so recently...)

(And Jack, I knew someone observant would shoot me down for that bit of mild hypocrisy, but really, I do *try* not to snipe at people who I think are genuinely "putting themselves on the line" for art they care about. Not much, anyway. Not anymore.)

13:38 / 23.01.03

D'you think they'll be playing any Marillion, or is that asking too much?

That would be brilliant!

If you agree to shout requests for Marillion songs, I'll take photos of all the hipsters' "what the fuck?" faces..

The other groups playing, btw, appear to be Bilge Pump (who are a bit like The Fall, only more so, and louder)* and Todd (who I've never heard of).

*hope that doesn't put anyone off

13:46 / 23.01.03

Hmmm... given my newfound "fatbeard" status*, I may reclaim that stigmatised identity, combine it with Marillion fandom (the two go together in my mind at least) and turn it into some kinda performance art prank. (It depends how drunk I get though... bear in mind I'm technically not drinking right now now.)

And based on the name alone, Bilge Pump sound like an excellent band.

* This was due to an unguarded comment regarding the Games Workshop which I now deeply regret.

14:04 / 23.01.03

Yes! Art prank! You could see how many cool magazine/band people you can terrify by going on about Skaven Rat Ogres and rare Marillion records!

Actually, maybe not..

Jack The Bodiless

17:52 / 23.01.03

I have a deep love for the way that Bill calls it 'the' Games Workshop. Adds gravitas, much the same way they tried to mythologise the Caped Crusader in the eighties by calling him 'the' Batman...

We could ask them to play Cannibal Surf Babe. That would be cool. Not cool cool, obviously.

13:59 / 24.01.03

Well I confess ignorance to what exactly 'Cannibal Surf Babe' is, but I think it's a safe bet that anything called that is thoroughly cool.

So to confirm: I will indeed see you all in the pub at around 4 or 5 or something.. precise as ever..

15:23 / 24.01.03

I'll be there about 5.00 too. I'm dangerously skint, though, so can't promise any gigging, sadly. (But hey, what d'you expect from a fatbeard?)

15:25 / 24.01.03

Oh, and I'm tall and skinny, male and pale, and will wear a blue'n'white checked jackety-thing. (This last info being for Ria, should you be coming along and not know who the fuck to sit and drink with when ya get there.)

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