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New X-Men secondary mutations. Who's left?

 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:34 / 05.01.03
So which core X-Men haven't gotten their secondary mutations yet? Beast's was he got more feline in appearance. Jean's secondary mutation is telekenisis. Emma can turn into organic diamond. So we still have Cyclops and Wolverine to go? And will Uncanny be following this secondary mutation concept?
 
 
Seth
12:07 / 05.01.03
Wolverine's is the beard.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:13 / 05.01.03
So why can't Wolvie be drawn with the stupid spinach chin as per the stupid Ultimates-model-has-to-be-it-across-the-board-because-of-licensing dictum.....

........but STILL HAVE STUBBLE?!?!? This would make him not only more in line with the Ultimates version but with the Hugh Jackman movie version as well.

I don't know about the rest of you, but a clean-shaven Wolvie with the spinach-chin (as on the cover of the most recent issue) just drives me up the WALL!
 
 
A
12:16 / 05.01.03
Jean had telekinesis way back in the Stan/Jack issues in the 60's. I'm not sure when she lost it (I'm sure Flux can tell us), but the early issues of Morrison's run mention Jean starting to get her telekinesis back. I don't think it counts as a secondary mutation, anyway.

Wouldn't Beast's mutation actually be a tertiary mutation? I'm not an expert on these matters, but he was originally a reasonably normal looking guy, then a guy covered with blue fur, the a dead ringer for the Beauty and the Beast Beast.

Scott and Logan seeem to be such straightforward characters in the mutant-power department that I really can't imagine either of them gaining groovy additional powers. Does anyone have any idea if all mutants are meant to get secondary mutations, or just some? (Xavier and Magneto don't seem to have ever had them).
 
 
The Falcon
14:10 / 05.01.03
Wolverine already has claws + healing factor.

I think Scott's is his 'icy calm lunacy under pressure'.

Xorn has star face + energy transference.

Charles? Ability to recover from broken spine frequently? Ability to generate countless evil doppelgangers?

Apparently, Iceman's undergoing secondary mutation in Uncanny. so they say...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:23 / 05.01.03
Jean lost her telekinesis for a little while in the late 90s, I think after a storyline called Psi-War during Joe Kelly's run. She didn't have it up through the end of Chris Claremont's second run, and it came back with Grant's run. It's very convoluted, and ironically came from an attempt to streamline the psychics in the X-comics - Kelly and Seagle wanted to make psychic powers more special, so they had an event that reduced/limited most every psychic's power in the Marvel universe. This has been abandoned, more or less. I think that in technical continuity terms, Jean's current telekinesis isn't a secondary mutation because she already had it, it was just blocked for a while, and now she's accessed it again, it was never really gone. I think if she has a secondary mutation, it's probably the increase in her capabilities and/or it may have to do with her bond with the Phoenix.

As for Henry, his old blue-furred man-ape look originally was chalked up to him doing some kind of lab experiment that went awry and mutated his body. In retroactive post-secondary mutation continuity, this would mean that the chemical accident simply sped up Henry's first secondary mutation, and his new look is in literal terms a tertiary mutation. I think that the term 'tertiary mutation' hasn't been applied mostly to avoid confusing readers.

I think the secondary mutation is a great idea, because it gives the writers a lot of leeway, and retroactively can be used to answer a lot of questions about dodgy older comics.
 
 
The Falcon
16:08 / 05.01.03
You are correct, Flux. Psylocke trapped the Shadow King at the centre of some kinda psychic web, and then shut it.

Though, I thought GM was bringing back (or re-enhancing) Jeannie's TK abilities.

Morrison's doing a lot of cleaning house for the X-Men, but try explaining that to the Stockholm Syndrome sufferers at other messageboards...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:20 / 05.01.03
Yeah, it's true - there's lots of little things that Grant has done to make things make a lot more sense, and all of those things have also been things that have been good springboards for future writers to riff off of. He's a good team player, I wish more of the rabid Grant-haters would realize that he's not trying to ruin their beloved X-Men, he's trying to push things out of a bad rut.

Hats off to Chris Claremont too, if just for killing off Psylocke, who is perhaps the single most confusing X-character, continuity-wise, even moreso than Jean Grey and Cable.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:27 / 05.01.03
I wonder what Xavier's secondary mutation would be? But at the moment it seems that it's not necessarily something that will happen to all of them. If Grant doesn't plan on explaining this I wonder if some future writer might explain it as some benign mutated form of the Legacy Virus...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:01 / 05.01.03
I think secondary mutations are kinda like being doublejointed - some people can do it, some can't. I doubt they'll do anything to Xavier, Wolverine, or Cyclops.
 
 
000
20:20 / 05.01.03
Wow, before I logged on to the www, I was thinking of starting a thread on the direction of the NXM, because as memory serves, the promotional artwork that came before the current run had a tombstone with "Humanity ends by 2005" (paraphrasing) enscribed on it.

Don't you wonder about that?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:20 / 05.01.03
That promotional art is the cover of the E Is For Extinction trade paperback.

Good point, and it lends credibility to my hunch that Grant is indeed sticking around a little while longer than #150...
 
 
The Falcon
01:01 / 06.01.03
I really hope so - but there've been rumours abounding that #146 or #150'll see his final work here.

This would mean, if the former is correct, 3 more issues of Quitely then 8 of Jiminez on art. *sigh*

It was like a dream come true when they announced Morrison and Quitely as the new X-Men team. Still - no eulogies just yet.

Does anyone know what else we've got, apart from Phoenix and WeaponPlus, to look forward to?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:05 / 06.01.03
It is most certainly NOT #146. The people buying into that rumor are deluding themselves.
 
 
The Falcon
01:33 / 06.01.03
How d'you know? Might've been #147 - caused me some concern, anyway.

I certainly hope not, but the fact remains, unfortunately, that the book (like most other franchise comics) is haemorrhaging readers at a fairly alarming rate - Silvestri could be the fix required, but I think a lot of 'traditional' comics readers are now put off by the name 'Grant Morrison'.

Which, while being their loss, may ultimately dictate the way 'New Marvel' jumps on this and several other projects.
 
 
ciarconn
17:00 / 14.01.03
Secondary mutation might be a tricky issue, as I understand, GM has handled it this way: there might be more than one X-Factor in the DNA of some mutants, most of the times it's latent (like the suposedl "fatness" gene in us humans), and it can be activated by different causes like mutagens or extreme stress.

Frost- has the diamond form, and this is the only clear case handled by GM up to date

Xavier- At the end of the Imperial arch, Beast mentions he is going to try to stimulate Xavier's latent healing factor (with a nanosentinel vaccine), but it could also be telekinesis (like the Ultimate version of the Prof.)

Phoenix- Somewhere I remember reading that her main power was to be the contact of the Phoenix Force, TK and telepathy being secondary mutations (Cable would be on the same situation, and Rachel Primary could be time-porting, secondaries being TK, TP, and PhoenixForce channeling)

Iceman- over in Uncanny, Bobby is fully turning into ice, a secondary mutation trigerred by a very strong physical trauma

(arch)Angel- developed fast healing (not as good as a healing factor, but healed several broken bones in a week or two) after a near-death experience.

Wolverine- So far, nothing has been pointed on his direction, unless you count the Twelve storyline, and the gifts given to him and Archangel by Apocalypse. It would be a bit of an overkill, though.

Polaris/Powerhouse- Lorna developed a secondary mutation when her mangetic powers were stolen (circa Uncanny 250), she channeled negative emotions into strength and invulnerability. Lost them when she recuperated her original powers, but the gene is still there.

Beast- Morrison (Cassandra) said that Hank is a "devolver", this means that: the more aggressive the ambient gets, the more he devolves, and with each devolution, he gets stronger and smarter (most of the time, if you remember the early issues of X-Factor, where he gets stronger but dumb: and the original Mutant X series, where he goes reptilian, very strong and almost animal intelligence).

Magneto- Since Stan and Jack had Magneto doing astral projection in the early issues, some point that it might be his secondary mutation, but some others think that it was a derivation of his magnetic powers (that's why there's Magnetoitis, when a mutant finds a way of making anything with his simple powers)

Cyclops and Xorn are low probability candidates, Xorn is way too powerfull (a bodisatva with the powers of a sun), and Scott is OK and cool as he is now.

Sorry for the long post.
 
 
some guy
17:30 / 14.01.03
"Secondary" mutations have been around at least as long as Nightcrawler's first appearance. The Emma thing is brilliant, but I hope the writers exercise a little restraint before the MU is flooded with unstoppable mutants with multiple powers.

I prefer my mutants single-powered and extremely rare, but then I'm old-school...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
22:24 / 14.01.03
Oh, the infinite irony inherent in the classroom riots. Just as readers bugger off, no longer convinced that Morrison is their man for the book, the students decide that Xavier's not right for them either.

But is this true, this mass exodus game?
 
 
Lady_Nomad
18:29 / 10.05.03
Hmmm... Xorn has pleny of power already besides, he's somewhat cool like that.

Cyclops' secondary mutation doesn't have to empower him... what he can change his eyes into that big red eye Apocalypse had. That would shake up the X-Men and reveal how much he had changed.
 
 
Simplist
20:05 / 10.05.03
So why can't Wolvie be drawn with the stupid spinach chin as per the stupid Ultimates-model-has-to-be-it-across-the-board-because-of-licensing dictum.....

........but STILL HAVE STUBBLE?!?!? This would make him not only more in line with the Ultimates version but with the Hugh Jackman movie version as well.


For what it's worth, I flipped through the latest Uncanny at the store and despite Logan's goateed appearance on the cover, on the inside pages he's drawn in the classic style, ie. stubble and no goatee, as is also the case in NXM this month. Looks like the combo of bad fan reaction and the film featuring the classic look has caused the status quo to reassert itself rather quickly. Hopefully when the hardcover comes out they'll have Quitely go back and redraw Logan's chin in the one or two issues he was forced to stick the goofy soul patch on.
 
 
onorthocrasi
07:27 / 11.05.03
last i had heard grant had written up to new xmen 153 so 146 or 150 is definetly not the end. Grant mentioned this in a interview with rich johnston(sp?) a couple of months ago.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:32 / 11.05.03
I love it the fact that NXM is Grant's long-haul comic.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:33 / 11.05.03
His is a full on X-era. Proper contribution to the continuity.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:26 / 11.05.03
Apparently, Grant is planning on sticking with NXM through around #170. I can't blame him - he's doing great work, he has the largest audience of his career, getting good reviews, and making his mark on one of the biggest character franchises in the world. The royalties from the reprints can't hurt, too.
 
  
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