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New Gibson: "Pattern Recognition"

 
  

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gravitybitch
14:54 / 25.03.03
No, no, no. The Mafia here are, for the most part, respected members elsewhere on the board. Just stay out of Granton...

It looks like Gibson's found his groove again... The last three didn't do it for me at all, I just borrowed copies from friends and haven't reread any of them. But I've been through my hardback twice already, and am wondering if I really want to loan it out...

I think the only bad thing about the book is that it's made me a little self-conscious about posting.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:02 / 26.03.03
Not reading most of this thread yet. But just scored work's review copy of it. Ooh, la!

However, I just started John Barth's Giles Goat-Boy, so I may be some time...
 
 
Baz Auckland
21:58 / 27.03.03
William Gibson's reading in Toronto on Wednesday but I can't make it. (sigh). For anyone else out there, it's $8, 730pm at Harbourfront Centre...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:04 / 04.04.03
PR is in-fucking-crdible. It's the book that if it got the mainstream attention it deserves, would launch Gibson out of the "cyberpunk guy" box he's been placed in.

I just finished my first read of it and I can't get over it.
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:12 / 01.05.03
Short Interview with Gibson mostly about weblogs....
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
15:10 / 01.05.03
I really dug the prose of PR, and was impressed with the use of 9/11 also. It felt... I don't know. Comfortable to read, but not in an unchallenging way.

HOWEVER, I didn't like the ending. Or, rather, the ending was cool, it just seemed like he decided "Bored now. Must go start weblog" and then it all followed a "then this happened, then this happened, OK, buh-bye" kind of closure sequence. Which I thought was a bit of a cop-out and a bit against the pace that'd been established earlier.
 
 
YNH
15:18 / 01.05.03
Isn't that kind of how Gibson ends books?
 
 
nihraguk
13:10 / 02.05.03
while we're at it, going to point this out if no one has already realised: http://www.williamgibsonboard.com/6/ubb.x has an online discussion forum that is largely dedicated to the book.

which, by the way, i think is a mature Gibson, and one of the best i've read so far. the best, in fact. i thought the ending was a bit of a letdown.. but the way it ended, that last scene with cayce and that kiss, that was rather poignant.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:15 / 07.05.03
Finished this last night. Too many thoughts!

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obviously...

He still can't really do endings. Given that PR is almost as much a re-telling of Laney's story from Idoru as it is of Marly's from Count Zero, it's amazing that the deal cut with the Russian mafia at the end of this one is even *more* vague, dubiously motivated and morally unexamined.

But he gets the right emotional note, I think. Not sure about "weeping for her century", but there's a nice sense of closure: an end, however temporary, to loneliness. An acceptance of loss.

Cayce is the most well-rounded, 3-dimensional character he's ever written, I'd say. The most human of his 'strong women', to the point where she arguably doesn't suffer from being a bit of a fantasy figure in the way that Molly and Chevette from previous books did. Interesting too the way that Boone Chu is neither a serious traitor nor a hero in the end - he's just a bit crap, someone who doesn't live up to the hype or his own charm, which after years of Gibson characters being the best in their field, is quite a pleasant novelty.

Other lingering thought in my reptile brain: call me an obvious perv, but I found Dorotea's "And now I think you are my little puppenkopf, too" bit almost unspeakably sexy. Really wrong and creepy, too, but... wow.

And then there's all the ways in which the book is about Barbelith - that person you always argue with and can't stand is actually a nasty baddie out to get you, that person you think posts the best stuff is going to save your ass and be your soulmate.

And the ways it's also about the city I love and live in, about specific parts of it which I know so well of late that it's spooky.

But it's not really a science fiction novel at all, is it?
 
 
illmatic
20:57 / 07.05.03
Again


SPOILERS



Finished it myself about a week ago and had too many thoughts for words initially. The initial excitement's faded a bit but I thought I'd try and address a few points. One of the first things I thought was how quick will it date - what'll it look like in ten years from now? Interesting to consider with something so of the moment. Mind you, Neuromancer still works (for me anyway) almost 20 years later so maybe it won't be too much of a problem.

First big point - something picked up the William Gibson board referenced above. I felt like he might have had more to say about the novel's central conceit, Cayce's ability to almost skry the videodrome of fashion and media, her and reaction to logos - I mean, the title is "Pattern Recognition" yet he doesn't seem to fully explore this idea and it's potential significance, and it's something that's been cropping up throughout his work. You've got Gentry in Mona Lisa Overdrive, trying to discern the shape of Cyberspace, and you've got Laney in the second trilogy with his ability to pull patterns ( discern "nodes") in the infosphere that surrounds him. It's a very weird idea, a weird post-human version of the sort of autisc abilities that Oliver Sach's writes about. Why this ability? Why this concern with shape, with discerning emerging trends? I fel like there's something quite profound here I haven't quite got my head round yet. Reminds me of Gematria, bringing meaning into being where perhaps there was none.

The second big point kind of relates to this, revolving around the films. Firstly (perhaps obviously) I felt the significance and power Gibson was telegraphing into these descriptions could only work in text. Can a fragment of random imagery be this powerful, this suggestive? Or is a description of a mystery always going to be more evocative than knowing the thing itself?

Secondly, I thought it was very interesting the films come through a a mute auetuer. If the filmaker (I've forgoten her name and lent book out - bollocks) had been able to talk, cognitize etc. in the same way as the rest of us, the constructon of the film would have been open to rational inquiry and thereby lost a lot of it's power. As it's is it's like a flash of gnostic inspiration, coming from a place unseen and inaccessible. Exactly the same scene is played out in front of Marly in Count Zero, when something animates the machinery that constucts the Cornell-type boxes Marly's has been hunting. I half- remember a lovely line from this part of CZ: In response to Marly's feelings of sadness towards the boxes, something says, "these songs are of time and memory - the sadness is in you". I know I've mangled that quote, but again, we've got the evocation of some sort of mysterious force or agency, moving through technology, and refracting back our emotions to us. Something profound and metaphoric about us and technology is being said here, but I'm not quite sure what it is. This is one of the things I really love about Gibson's writing - these odd emotional tones and half-notes he seems to get so right. Be very interested to hear what anyone else has to say on these points.

Final (minor) point - overall, what I loved about the book (and all his writing) - it reminds you of how just how bloody weird the present day is, how odd this strange technolgical contraption we've erected around ourselves is.

He said in an interview in this weekend's Guardian:

.. those characters ilustrate the impact of technology on society, and I sometimes find myself thinking there isn't anything other than the impact of technology on society - possibly, that has been more significant historically than any sort of political thought, in terms of bringing us to where we are now."

That's why I love his stuff - it makes me remember this, and enjoy it.
 
 
Baz Auckland
06:01 / 08.05.03
I just have to agree with Flyboy. His descriptions of London were ace, especially that of Camden and the pubs. It really made me miss the place.
 
 
nihraguk
09:18 / 08.05.03
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illmatic: On what you said about Gibson not quite exploring the notion of 'pattern recognition'. I actually thought he did, as a theme, rather than specific to cayce's ability. Had these thoughts quite awhile ago, so they might be rusty by now, but basically it has to do with the notion of apophenia that is mentioned. Think of pattern recognition in terms of that piece of steganography embedded in the footage.. the way the "map" is actually the arming device for a Claymore, Cayce's mother's extraction of her father's voice from the airwaves, Cayce's therapist. Question of seeing patterns where there are none (the theories about the footage vs. the truth), and the implicit .imposition. of your pattern upon what is in and of itself shapeless, patternless, and unknown. Like Cayce's father's disappearance. Something like that. Not merely about trends, though also incorporating trends. The edits of the footage by (whats their names) that Bigend puts on the CD he gives to Cayce which also contains an archive of the entire F:F:F.


Apologies for the incoherence, but am pretty brain dead circa now.
 
 
diz
21:09 / 08.05.03
SPOILERIFFICNESS





















And then there's all the ways in which the book is about Barbelith - that person you always argue with and can't stand is actually a nasty baddie out to get you, that person you think posts the best stuff is going to save your ass and be your soulmate.

see, this is exactly what i didn't like about the book. overall, i loved it and i think it's probably the best thing he's ever written, but this aspect of it stuck in my craw.

for one thing, it made for way too nice and neat of an ending, which i thought cheapened the emotional impact of the resolution of the footage mystery. for Cayce, the opportunity to sit there watching the footage being made was the best payoff possible. getting back at Dorotea/Mama Anarchia and hooking up with Parkaboy kind of pale in comparison and dilute the power of that moment, at least for me.

second, it made Dorotea into too much of a cartoon. she was already going there fast, with her over-the-top bitchiness and her Keystone Kops thugs, but when she's not only an uber-bitch out to get Cayce but also her lame-ass rival from F:F:F it's just too much. it's too convenient for Cayce to be able to get rid of all the annoying people in her life at once, and Dorotea's just too lame to be real. she seems to exist only to be a cheap Cayce knock-off in every respect and never really seems like a real human being.

third, having both Mama Anarchia and Parkaboy end up being real presences in her physical life undermines everything Gibson had accomplished up to that point with regard to F:F:F and online friendships. what was great about the way he dealt with the footagehead community to me was the way he really seemed to nail the way that people you know online can be really important, very real people in your life whether or not you ever meet them in the flesh. Parkaboy is Cayce's best friend and most trusted confidant even though she's never met him IRL, and the way that he treats that online relationship, just the way he treats it seriously, is somewhat revolutionary. to me, it seems like a cop-out to turn it into a traditional "girl gets boy at the end" physical relationship at the 11th hour, almost as if he's not quite confident that the reader will accept it as a real relationship if he doesn't ultimately have them meet in the flesh.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:33 / 08.05.03
But if something like that's ever happened to you, though - and it does - then that meeting really strikes a chord...

Still, I take your point. Will think about other comments and return.
 
 
nihraguk
13:23 / 09.05.03
Have to agree with Kittenz there. I thought PR killed its own premise, the kind of tone and mood it was trying to capture of the age it was written in, by having everything ethereal, intangible, virtual and online translate concretely into real human terms at the end of the day. A cop-out, to make the crafting of the conclusion simpler and more ... banally digestible. But ultimately a waste of the incredible start the novel had.

I mean, I had to re-read the bits of the novel a couple of times when I first realised that ohmigosh, you're telling me that its the Mafia? Again? And yet another mentally-damaged kid? The same old theme of beauty-in-insanity, truth-in-madness, etc.

But it was still a good book. And well worth the read.
 
 
illmatic
16:52 / 09.05.03
I too, thinks I agree with Kittenz is does seem a bit of a cop out ending. There's something far more powerful about "permanent anonimity" (if I'd never met Flyboy in the flesh, I could dream all sorts of bizarre fantasies about him - hell, maybe I will anyway, just for fun).

I wonder if the rapid and (over) easy tying up of threads at the end of the novel is a result of Gibson experimenting with narrative technique? Normally he writes from three points of view and blends them all together in one big bang kapow at the conclusion of his books. He's mentioned in several interviews that he used this book to get away from this technique - maybe he hasn't mastered the difficulties of single person narrative yet and is still trying to resolve a million diffeent threads of plot in a limited space? Just a thought.

And nihraguk: I think your right about the "Pattern Recog" thing - it makes a lot of sense. It resolves a few things - the voices her mother receives for one, as you mentioned. Otherwise they just seem a random and rather pointless bit of colour.I guess I hadn't seen this because you look so closely at the main charcter. I think this adds quite a powerful emotional tone to the death of her father, the unccertainity etc. even though, if I'm not mistaken, the waveform of his death collapses at the end of the book. I still would have liked to see more of an exposition of Cayce's ability though. The first thing I thought of when I started reading it was Naomi Klein's "No Logo"!

I will look again at the book some more on it's return and post if I have anything relevant to say.
 
 
molotovwaiting
05:26 / 06.06.03
Just finished reading the novel. really enjoyed it but agreed that the ending just seemed to drift away. i read it eagerly, mind ablaze with ideas that Gibson suggests. i work in the stock footage industry and to see footage used here as a global fetish is great . i really love the poetic language Gibson uses, that cuts through wads of description and gives you a stronger emotional connection.for me the novel works well as pieces of moments, burst of energy. it also adds to the alternate universe feel i had from the novel. set in the present but forward in its use of fashion, advertising and language. i felt the same level of excitement while reading Grant morrison's recent 'riot at Xaviers' - "it's like breathing the electric air of the future". to complement this novel, i would recommend Victor Pelevin's novel 'Babylon' - a great ride through the modern russian advertising industry - characters more vile and dangerous than Bigend.
anyway here's a poem i wrote -could be about cayce - maybe she doesn't need to see patterns anymore, just live and enjoy.

i am half hearing and pardons
a pattern recognition escape
to fresh unmoments of myself;
all guesses and mumbles
 
 
Disco is My Class War
03:40 / 10.06.03
I finished it over the weekend, was so into the book that I had to pretend interest in real-life things while I immersed...

I like the unembarrassed geekiness of this thread.

"like breathing the electric air of the future": yes. Although the opposite effect was also true: it seemed set in the future, yet by the time I finished it the period had already aged and it was as if I was reading about the present from about five years ahead. Gibson's colours and images are so vivid. Like drugs.

I too wasn't so sure about the disposal of Dorotea, or the neat division btw good player and bad player (or successful and unsuccessful) btw Parkaboy/Cayce, and Dorotea. It would have resonated better if a) Cayce and Boone had actually bonked, with ensuing disappointment, and b) Parkaboy was unavailable, or she ended up not finding him attractive. Less gratification that way. But then, I thought the ending did work. It's always about the deal you make.
 
 
madhatter
23:01 / 15.12.04
here is one poem that sprung to my attention when (google-ing indeed!) looking for reviews of PR:

www.bendpress.com/response_images/coolhunter.html

rather critical about Cs role in society, & to me sounding a little like Gs early harshness.

by the way, there is this one detail i like to share: the expression "CPU" (cayce-polland-unit) for pieces of clothes. Y? - because of the notion of someone's warderobe being his "Central Processing Unit" (as CPU is understood normally, i hope to remember correctly).
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
12:48 / 03.04.07
Pattern Recognition has just come around for it's first re-read.

Firstly, it has, as Apophenia predicted, dated a little already. I don't think I've heard the term "coolhunter" used since 2003 for example.

Secondly, the Footage Fetish Forum really reminds me of Barbelith while the Invisibles was still being published - a community of theorists running off with crazy speculation every time a new fragment was published, all trying to piece it together without being able to see the whole quite yet.

Thirdly, it's still VERY good. It's evocation of London is unlike anything I've ever read. But it definitely trails off into the second half.

Spook Country, the sequel-of-sorts is due out in August. I'm looking forward to it. I'm quite happy for Gibson to stay writing the contemporary world now, seeing as we've pretty much caught up with Neuromancer anyway.
 
 
Triplets
20:28 / 23.05.07
Started reading this tonight, already engrossed. Loving the easy with which Gibson can cast London Now as a cyberpunk future. Interested to see where he takes his already touching take on internet/forum life.

Cayce has just met the barman who's into F:F:F. Might put it down til tomorrow. Might not.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
20:36 / 23.05.07
The F:F:F strikes me as being more like the Lost Experience's search for "glyphs" scattered across (among other sites) Sydney, London and NYC than any other website.
 
 
Triplets
22:36 / 24.05.07
I was too tired to get to that last night but the F:F:F, so far, reminds me more of Barbelith (specifically, some of the comics and tv threads) than anything else I've come across.
 
 
Feverfew
15:49 / 27.05.07
I got exactly the same feeling about F:F:F re: Barbelith, but I was too shy to say anything. Which is kinda dumb. But at least other people in here out there are thinking the same thing...
 
 
Ilhuicamina
20:00 / 27.05.07
I just read Pattern Recognition (I mean, just now, literally) purely because of this thread -had to download a pdf because I never could find it in a local bookstore- and having just joined Barbelith (it's my second day, or third... I'm losing count) I was getting the same F:F:F :: Barbelith vibe throughout the whole thing. And I'd just like to say, I had the same reaction as Flyboy to Dorotea's puppenkopf line and Cayce's subsequent meltdown. (I realize he made that comment four years ago, but still...) In fact, I found that final Michelin Man Meltdown downright disturbing. I'm going to go have nightmares about it now.
 
  

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