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Filth #7

 
 
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02:40 / 27.12.02
I didn't get the issue late this time.

Thoughts: I wasn't crazy about this one, it seemed disjointed: one part dealing with the Libertania, the other dealing with Slade. I found the Tex Porneau issue's more interesting. Still...

The weird people in animal masks... prelude of the orgy of violence that occurs in the Libertania (like the orgy of violence at Dr. Soon's lab, Tex's mansion, etc.)

The Libertania was really cool looking, I loved the 2 page spread. Wonder if the yin-yang symbol on that nearby boat has any signifigance.

I liked the president saying "A great leap for mankind" as he collapsed out of the bathroom after doing drugs (not to mention that line about leading boy troops into a sewer). And I think it's funny how he's being given implants (not sure why though).

The return of Spartacus Hughues (in matching jacket as the previous one). He looks like my history teacher now (not that my history teacher feeds captains their daughters as food).

Another reference to anal sex in a sadist context. Getting overused I think.

"I've spent the last few days fulfilling every sick and twisted fantasy that ever crawled around in back of my head. All but one. I'm sick of sin, Spartacus". Is this GM getting personal here? Using The Filth to get rid of negative enerrgy/Qlipthotic demons whatever?

The Hand did practically nothing in this issue. That's a first...

Slade remembers Tony's thyroid condition. About time. Thank god we didn't have to see Tony suffer this issue.

Ah, Slade's Hand ID is in his other jacket! I wondered why he didn't just show the agents his Hand badge last issue.

Children like ants: "soul-less little horrors, they're not like children anymore-we made them that way". GM commenting on today's youth and how they've been corrupted by their parents?

anti-terrorism squad... Slade as a terrorist (was the pedophile plot a false lead?) and who is Max Thunderstone? His name is mentioned again here.

Slade going into King Mob mode with the detectives. Maybe he is remembering he's actually King Mob. And Mob was a terrorist...

What's with the woman holding flowers outside the police station I wonder?

Slade questoning his sanity again... a tag saying "help us". Does the hand really exist after all? I can't wait till issue 9.

more magic references in this issue: Tarot cards, the nether world, palm-reading.

Is Spartacus Hughes representative of chaos? He seems to like spreading it. He likes to play, he likes toys. Maybe he's Horus, trying to build the world anew.

Random thoughts...
 
 
The Falcon
23:16 / 27.12.02
I think Hughes' mention of the interview with Rocky Planetesimal is quite important; 'nether worlds' and that.

See, all the Hand adventures don't happen, I'm fairly sure, on 'Earth-Prime' (as the old DC comics used to call it) where Greg lives. Rather, we've got meta-, parallel and sub- worlds going on. Remember Greg's comment on the things he had that shouldn't exist - the I-Life, Anders videos.

The Libertania exists somewhere where a person can say: "...America? Where the fuck's that?"

Lots of reiterations (apart from the big one - Hughes himself) cropping up here: Peri's visit to the chemist - "For the blood, eh?"/"Best for wank, eh?" at the newsagents in #1. Hughes anti-smoking talk (dirty/filthy) whilst smoking. As y'mention, Sypha, his playing with toys - ruining little worlds; the 'beautiful Bonsai planet', the Libertania - scaled up, here.

I presume it's the I-Life who've written that message in the tampon.

And, look, that woman with the flowers - it's lovely bio-ship Sharon Jones, from issues #1-2!
 
 
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03:12 / 28.12.02
I thought that lady looked familiar.
 
 
The Falcon
03:48 / 28.12.02
Yeah, it was nagging me for a while. Pretty sure, though.
 
 
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04:05 / 28.12.02
I'm waiting to hear what other people thought of this issue. Either they just haven't got it yet or are still formulating their response (whereas I being repulsive posted my thoughts precisely 30 minutes after reading the issue).
 
 
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04:08 / 28.12.02
That was a tampon? Huh, I thought it was a name tag from a punk kid or something. My bad...

I didn't get that tampon/porn magazine conveniance store thing until I read your post. Though I did notice there were a lot of simularities between this one and issue one (I wonder if issue 8 will be like issue 2)...
 
 
A
04:56 / 28.12.02
...and here's me several hundred kilometres from my nearest comicbook store. Curse you, Christmas.
 
 
sleazenation
10:52 / 28.12.02
Grant's Libertainia is actually modeled on the real plans to build Freedom ship a self contained floating city for the rish that and cruise in international waters free of the laws of any country. I think the idea is to have a gambler's paradise which does not need to pay tax to anyone, but Morrison examines some of the other implications of the 'freedom' tat might florish there.
 
 
A
11:17 / 28.12.02
The simple joys of a monkey knife fight, perchance?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:17 / 28.12.02
Just popping up to say read it AND loved it. Grant's turned his brain back on after the porn issues and I've fallen for the bald bastard yet again. More cogent analysis shortly!
 
 
PatrickMM
15:40 / 28.12.02
I thought this was probably the weakest issue so far. The opening seemed like all setup, and the conclusion was a bit too quick, hopefully some of what happened will be picked up on next issue. However, the Slade/Feely stuff is still excellent, and I'm looking forward to more of that. That full page of him kicking ass brought to mind King Mob. Overall though, this is a bit like Invisibles Volume III, in that, we're seeing a bunch of people unrelated to the story, when I'd rather just see what happens to Greg, and Tony.
 
 
bjacques
16:43 / 28.12.02
Great issue, and certainly the most straightforward one in awhile. I love the Libertania episode. The name itself is a foreshadowing, combining the legendary doomed pirate utopia of Libertatia and the American cruise ship Lusitania, torpedoed by a German U-boat in WW1 for carrying munitions to the UK. The drawing is taken from the Freedom Ship website.

There's something sour about libertarian utopias--modern ones anyway--that dooms them from the start. I blame Ayn Rand, whose 1957 "Atlas Shrugged" has industrialists, bankers, engineers and even some workers and artists secede from an ungrateful America run by strawman socialists. They return after society collapses (as it so obviously must) and the survivors beg them to take over. The theme flatters engineers and technicians, who control powerful technologies generally for the benefit of their less technically clueful but much better paid managers. Hard SF writers, like Larry Niven in the 1970s, made fortunes playing to this market.

Freedom Ship, like Oceania and the L5 Society before it (I used to know a guy involved in both), are the dreams of moderately successful businessmen and techies. They're not the most social of people, and their Libertarian philosophies and politics make it difficult for them to organize a bake sale, let alone attract fellow travelers. As Freedom Ship's "Update" reflects, their lack of social awareness also makes them easy prey for scam artists, whose social instincts are finely honed. It's too bad, since the best of these dreams have appeal for libertarians on the left and the right. Unfortunately, it's mostly right-wingers who've tried to realize them.

If the utopias see daylight, as with Minerva (see Oceania link), they're pretty much on their own. The U.S. government effectively ransomed them from Tonga, which, per Libertarian dogma, is more than they deserved. Sealand was able to defend itself, though it was touch and go for awhile. It's a family operation and a principality at that so it's really an extremely enlightened despotism, and it doesn't step on too many toes. It's also really small. It seems the best you can hope for is to found one under the aegis of a country tolerant enough to admit a gaggle of odd people but strong enough to stand up to the U.S., as well as to pirates, Mafia and businessmen. The state of Montana seems about right, but it's pretty conservative and gets really cold in the winter.

The Libertania, as a self-contained nation, has another problem built in. You've got those moderately successful businessmen again, and they want to enjoy those well-deserved Mai-Tais, so that implies servants. Servants live aboard the utopia, but, as non-citizens, they don't share its benefits. Oops. I don't think even High Rise had live-in servants. On land, such a place is subject to the Aspen Effect, after the Colorado ski resort that has become so expensive that servants's commute becomes longer each year. At sea, commuting is not an option. At least Sealand's few residents do their own dishes.

I could go on all day about this stuff, and, er, I suppose I have.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:58 / 28.12.02
Libertatia. Ah yes, fair Libertatia! The free-city founded by Captain Mission and Father Caraccioli! Libertatia; where the only flag was the blank white flag.

Blank white flag... fancy that.

Anyway, I loved this issue and was delightfully horrified at Greg's moment of "I know Kung Fu".

So, if Greg is insane as some suspect, then how is he an unstoppable killing machine?

Loving this series more with every damn issue.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
07:46 / 29.12.02
So, which Tarot card was Hughes referring to?

At least his modus operandi is fairly constant, the bonsai planet= Libertania, enjoying fucking with the inhabitants. A very De Sadeian issue, seems like Grant is critiquing having him as a hero in The Invisibles. Sparticus doesn't seem to have any ideas beyond creating chaos, which is fitting if he seems to have found some way to come back from being dead. He doesn't need to have any greater goal because when he gets bored he gets killed and starts something somewhere else. I'm now wondering if those three Spartacus' in issue 1 were the 'same event being seen simultaneously from three perspectives' that others here thought, mainly due to the fact that Grant hasn't tried anything similar elsewhere, everything else we've seen has been 'real'. In which case, where is Sparticus number three? Based on what the first two have been doing, I would guess he's trying to mess around with the Paperverse from issue three.

I thought the 'America? Where's that?' thing was ironic, about how the higher echelons of the ship see themselves as more important than mere countries. And though he was Greek, did anyone else think the captain of the Libertania looked like Saddam Hussein? I would like an explanation for exactly why the inhabitants of the ship go mental, 'one extra rat' and bad conditions don't really cut it for me. And was anyone else thinking of 'Monty Pythons Meaning of Life' reading this? The Crimson Permanent Insurance Pirates or something.

As for Greg/Ned, I tend not to like 'Maybe it didn't happen, maybe I was mad' storylines in stuff because as readers we know that it did. But his scenes this issue were very well done and helped sort out some of the inconsistencies from last week when he was arrested. Was Greg Feely planted there to make contact with this Thunderstone character? And at last he's remembered about his cat!

It's ironic. I thought this was the best issue yet, most of the rest of you thought it was the worst. We're just not going to agree about this are we?
 
 
The Falcon
08:10 / 29.12.02
Best one since the last one. Possibly better - don't know if it's scaling the heights of #3 yet.

Next issues apparently got

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Loads of Spartacus Hughes' running about the Libertania.

I've found most issues work better as doubles #1-2, #5-6 anyway. I suspect this'll be the case with #7-8, too.

The America thing might've been ironic. These are still parallel worlds/narratives that the Hand has to 'undo'; but Greg's taking stuff with 'im.

Spartacus seems to be, if y'look at his face, kind of despairing about the whole thing sometimes. Maybe I just like him so much that I want that to be the case.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:49 / 29.12.02
misgendered: interesting that you relight the 'three spartacus' theory - but i think there's no need. Isn't Hughes, like Slade, a para-personality that can be installed into any host unit? That would explain his altered appearance: this time, a blond sixalike.

i loved this slice. The opening scenes were great. The dialogue of the passengers as they wandered round Venice: artful shtuff.

Ba
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:00 / 29.12.02
misgendered: interesting that you relight the 'three spartacus' theory - but i think there's no need. Isn't Hughes, like Slade, a para-personality that can be installed into any host unit? That would explain his altered appearance: this time, a blond sixalike.

i loved this slice. The opening scenes were great. The dialogue of the passengers as they wandered round Venice: artful shtuff: a cool mini comic in itself.

Banter between quain and hughes was damn good too: morrison excels at these little micro-lectures/speaeches: think quimper and mob in dulce, satan and jack in the 'alien', the general guy and the rookie underneath the pentagon in doom patrol.

grrrrreeeeeaaaatttttt!

Artwork back on form too: queasy learing viewpoints, distorted faces, anguish, a static feel (apart from the ultra violent kicking feely gives the coppers - that final boot stomping down on 'your' face! - gahhhh)

Lady with flowers reminded me of Audrey Murray and a missed chance at redemption , the final two pages reminding me of Mob's crazy phone call to Jacqui.

Feely can't get through this time though.

Actually those last two pages are really disturbing.
 
 
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16:18 / 29.12.02
I was just glad to see Slade finally fighting back in "reality" rather then just get beat up the cops like what happened to him at the end of last issue.

So far issue 3 is still my favorite, probably because I read it at a time that it was personally signifigant to me. I liked "Pornomancer" quite a bit too. I'm not sure why I wasn't as crazy about this one, but it had my moments.

I kinda like Spartacus Hughes myself. Despite the fact he spreads chaos at the same time he almost seems to regret his actions (as noted above). Like in issue 2 where he reprimands Simon for turning a colony of peaceful people into murderous criminals.
 
 
BrianFitzgerald
17:24 / 29.12.02
I also like Hughes. And Tony.

I think Mister Falconer's point about the reiterations in the convenience store is highly noteworthy. Feely buys material to assist in his wanking (wanking=spilling seed with no intent/hope of creating new life); Peri buys material to help her deal with her menstruating (menstruating=bleeding out of unfertilized egg/preparation for fertilization of next egg). So both are potential creators, "wasting" their fertility in (marginally) socially acceptable ways. Marginally, but filthy, because we don't talk about wanking and pornography or menstruation and tampons in polite society, do we?

Feely's discombobulated by schoolkids during his purchase, and kids end up being a running theme throughout the rest of Greg's story (right on up to issue #7 here). Peri's spaced-out by. . .what exactly are these people? The undead, says? Whatever they are, they warn Peri not to get on the boat.

So Feely thinks of kids, which "should" be sweet, as horrid. Peri thinks of freaky ghost harlequins, which should be horrid, as merely inconvenient.

Peri is "the blood." Heart on shirt, AIDS ribbons on back pockets of jeans, menstruation. Greg is "the wanking." Full of potential and energy and creativity that needs to be hidden from polite (police?)civilization. So what happens when these two. . .forces? chemicals? people? interact, which they seem to at the end of this ish, as Greg reads what we presume to be Peri's plea/command?

Anyone else suspect this is Secret Original taking the long way home to his lady-love?
 
 
LDones
20:43 / 29.12.02
About the tampon being Peri's SOS, that's very astute, I hadn't caught that, and I'm sure that's the case - For some peculiar reason I had inferred it was a message from the I-Life creatures.
 
 
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03:35 / 30.12.02
I think maybe the Japanese yin-yang flag on the boat symbolized the duality of the series: The Filth vs. the Anti-humans, Greg Feely/Ned Slade, Slade and Hughes, The world of the crack and the "real" world, etc.

I also notice that each crisis gets larger in scale then the last. First the Soon Colony, then a city, now a floating utopia... what's next? A continent? Earth? The universe?!?!

I wonder if Hughes has a parapersonality like Slade. maybe somewhere Spartacus is trying to save his dying pet dog and deal with cops and nosy neighbors... both men seem to dislike their duties (and both read porn). Is there a dark twin to the Hand? maybe the Cock? With people like Tex and Simon and Quinn as agents opposed to Dmitri and Miami? Is there a middle ground? Both sides try to stop someone from enjoying themselves (tex and Co. forcing themselves on other people for their own thrills, the Filth stopping them from doing what they want). Still, I feel there are no real good guys here, except for Slade and Hughes. Two extremes...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:21 / 30.12.02
hughes is such a gallus character. Bet we don't get that much of him though.
 
 
arcboi
20:41 / 30.12.02
A great issue, although 'Spartacus Hughes' looks completely ludicrous and his hairstyle makes Neil Gaiman's barnet look cool

"It's much smaller than it looks" . I loved the fact that the Libertania is so unfeasibly large and that the occupants are so convinced that this is a utopia. "Can't you force him to make life perfect for everyone? I mean, that's the way it's meant to be?"

Greg kicking the shit out of the police seemed pretty much in-character, especially since they were ripping on poor old Tony. And just who is Max Thunderstone?

And who is the woman with the flowers? That seemed to be significant in some bizarre way.

The closing scenes summed up Slade's desperation and there's nothing else to do but twiddle our thumbs waiting for issue 8...
 
 
penitentvandal
12:25 / 02.01.03
That's the Prisoner's London house Slade's standing outside when he crosses the road, isn't it? Looks awfully familiar.

And I'm surprised no-one's yet used the words 'harlequinade' in this thread...
 
 
The Natural Way
12:28 / 02.01.03
Kids as ants: I think the idea is that we've sentimentalised/idiotised/dehumanised children to such an extent that, well....they may as well be ants. That cute, chirping, piping thing in the latest hollywood film? You think that's human?
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:53 / 02.01.03
This issue reminded me of the Arcadia story (at least the castle part) It was alright, I would've liked to have seen more Greg, though.
 
 
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15:57 / 02.01.03
Actually, considering my younger brother's descriptions about the current state of my old high school (homophobia, racism, violence against animals) I think Slade may be on to something.

Hell, just look at the kids outside of Slade's place who killed the stray kitten. Have we seen any positive portrayals of youth in "The Filth" yet?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:45 / 02.01.03
yawn misgendered: interesting that you relight the 'three spartacus' theory - but i think there's no need. Isn't Hughes, like Slade, a para-personality that can be installed into any host unit? That would explain his altered appearance: this time, a blond sixalike.

If Hughes is just a personality then that would mean that someone at Hand HQ is booting him up and setting him loose, which would have to come right out of left field if that were true, completely contradicting what we know of their operations (unless Mother Dirt is Hughes as well, come one, let's start the bidding for what we're going to see when Slade rips that mask off).

When Slade is 'working' he wears a wig, I have no difficulty with the idea that Hughes is the same, the hairstyles both times have been ridiculous, why not wigs each time, and he's bald/shaved like Slade underneath?

Even if I'm not correct about there being three physical Hughes running around (well, two now) I'm sure Hughes is going to be back one more time before the end, unless having him 'seem' to appear three times on page one was a completely meaningless shot which meant nothing at all.

Slades' interogation was very similar to the one the PIS conduct in Invisibles 1-25, right down to the 'wanking hand' comment, only this time the skinhead is the 'hero'.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:19 / 02.01.03
Slade's 'kids as ants' theory reminds me of Miles' words about kids as nothing more than mobile advertising hoardings in Invisibles v2. I think the idea is that by turning kids into good little consumers we've turned them into some kind of inhuman hive mind. Interesting that in the Invisibles kids = good and old people = evil insectoid avatars of death, while in the Filth the dichotomy's reversed. Maybe Grant's just refuting his earlier work, pissing on the age of Horus, as it were.

The crowned and conquering child becomes some little tosser in a baseball cap that can only extend his playful creativity as far as torturing kittens. There's your Thelemic magic, grandad. What is it with this kiddie-veneration, anyway? Seems a bit unnatural, if you ask me...Someone ought to call the police.

Tsk...Kids today, eh?
 
 
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02:21 / 03.01.03
Then again velvet, the adults ain't much better themselves. Almost all the "bad guys" so far have been adults and the Filth/Hand's actions are morally questionable at this point. And Slade blames the adults for how the children turned out. I don't think there's any real god/bad here.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
06:49 / 03.01.03
In no particular order...

Insects as signifiers of, um... "things appearing to be evil and icky not being evil after all" appear in the Invisibles: the scarab, "We've all got a bit of the insect in us, ey?", and such. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this is the case with the kids.

The Filth is a 12-issue series, right? The Peri reiteration of Greg's opening scene, then, comes at the beginning of the last six issues--perhaps we're seeing (very loosely) a male half and a female half? Something to watch out for thematically, anyway.

More later...
 
 
The Natural Way
08:01 / 03.01.03
Maybe Hughes is less like a program to be booted up and more like a virus?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:21 / 03.01.03
A few quick impressions, mostly in the form of referents:

Cover is genius as usual, suggesting both the cops interrogating Greg and the neo-fascist society that Hughes in forging on board the Libertania. And the repeated figures suggest the sameness of Hughes himself as he manifests in different forms.

Spartacus Hughes, who when we first met him looked like 1970s Sean Connery, now puts me in mind of Michael Caine, with that ludicrous blond quiff. (except that Caine never really did the 'tache thing, did he?) Two ubiquitous actors, always working, appearing in works of wildly varying quality, but always around.

One of the cops interrogating Greg looks a lot like Rowan Atkinson in the show "The Thin Blue Line."

Greg's chatter in the interrogation room strongly reminiscent of the few times I've attempted to engage in conversation with an unmedicated schizophrenic.

How exactly does the "utopian society" on the Libertania work? There's no apparent economy, no industry, no production, no trade—to all appearances it's just a bunch of rich fucks on a cruise, coming ashore every once in a while to take on supplies. All in good fun 'til the money runs out.

Mad mental sadism on the high seas put me in mind of a Garth Ennis/Kieron Dwyer story called "Satanic," from an early issue of Flinch.

Love Hughes's description of his social-engineering experiments as "martial arts practiced on whole societies." Fine turn of phrase, that.

The Libertania as pirate ship: shades of "The Crimson Permanent Assurance," from Monty Python's Meaning of Life.

Verbal/visual overload: the signs of the protestors and rioters, the festoonings of graffiti on the underpass during Greg's flight from the cops...

Grant's storytelling technique, essentially, is to drop us in without a viewpoint character, leaving us to grope our way forward using only the clues provided in the context. Instructive. Where another writer might've front-loaded the information, using a classic device such as a briefing ("There she is, Mr. President—an autonomous nation-state housed in an enormous ocean liner, with over 100,000 citizens..."), Grant is essentially eschewing exposition—or rather, making it transparent.

This is pretty obviously being written with an eye towards eventual collection. No chapter titles or credits given in the actual story pages, and though there are demi-climaxes and cliffhangers, the story flows more or less seamlessly from issue to issue.
 
 
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02:43 / 04.01.03
I thought it was 13 issues...
 
  
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