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No star here laces
19:03 / 24.12.02
Can we have lots of suits again? I miss it - it made the board more fun and allowed us to explore identity instead of discussing it in an awfully dry fashion...
 
 
iconoplast
21:40 / 24.12.02
Don't blame me.

I didn't want the discussion to be dry.

I wanted to talk about art and music and fashion and glamor.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:08 / 24.12.02
It was fun. It did indeed allow for more "fucking-about-with-identity". And I do miss it. I can perfectly understand why it's frowned on now, though. It was open to abuse, abuse which it got lots of.

It's a shame though. I'd like it back.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:30 / 25.12.02
It was eventually dishonest, Tarquin starting up a new fictionsuit because he thought it would be hilarious to wind people up and then take off his mask and go "haha! It was me all along!"
 
 
The Falcon
23:53 / 25.12.02
People are doing it anyway.
 
 
Ganesh
15:31 / 26.12.02
True. And it's currently operating juuust below the Annoyance Threshold...
 
 
A
01:50 / 27.12.02
You could just change your name and suit-"personality" whenever it suits you. This week you could be Captain Fearless, over-the-top space ranger, and next week you could be Prof. Lucifer, theory bitch from the 7th circle of Hell, or whatever. It's nowhere near the same thing (and you don't have any suit-continuity), but it's something, at least.

This isn't a rhetorical or sarcastic question- do you need to have different identities to say things you couldn't say in your regular suit?

I understand the fun one could have with this, but it could also be seen as hiding behind a false name so your main suit doesn't cop whatever fallout you generate using the fake ones.

Then again, I'm one of those types whose suit is just myself with a few extra words pointlessly added on to my name, rather than a constructed persona of some description, which a lot of folks favour (and more power to 'em).
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
05:27 / 27.12.02
You could just change your name and suit-"personality" whenever it suits you.

Right. Which it seems like everyone has done in the last week or so. I keep seeing all of these names I don't know who have, like, 1000 posts to their name. It's confusing me!!! Figured out who Xoc is, though (I think...).
 
 
Ganesh
09:33 / 27.12.02
Oh, Xoc is ZoCher; he's trying to save that extra three letters' worth of bandwidth.
 
 
Sax
11:38 / 27.12.02
Three-letter fiction suits are the new, erm, whatever. Two-thousand-and-three, you see. Get in on the ground floor now, before you're accused of jumping on the bandwagon, 'Nej.
 
 
Persephone
02:00 / 28.12.02
Now that I've read the Invisibles, I can't help seeing certain undead suits as Orlando-types... raaaah...

It was actually that long, long Fictionsuit User Manual thread in Magick that got me engaged with Barbelith in the beginning; multiple identities are really interesting. But at this point I think it's more interesting to resolve --or to leave unresolved-- contradictions in the same fictionsuit. E.g., someone might have opinions about fanfic that make your eyes pop out, but may still make a mean hoppin' john.

I like what Count Adam has to say re: playing with your suit personality. To answer his question, I do try to keep my Persephone suit clean and that means a lot of the time I bite back things I'd like to say. But also sometimes I can't stand it & I sort of take a deep breath and blast away, and those times I do feel the suit shudder and change --sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.

Have never lost my temper online to the degree as can happen in real life, though. Working on that; and actually, being who I am online has helped.
 
 
Ganesh
02:36 / 28.12.02
I agree. What's even more interesting is mainting the same suit across several online message-boards and trying to resolve the contradictions [i]that[/i] generates. All good clean fun...
 
 
cusm
04:51 / 28.12.02
Aye, I do the same. Same suit, sometimes radicly different people inside it depending on where I turn up. Rather the opposite approach to the same idea, idn't it?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
23:39 / 27.01.03
Um...

Is there really 1717 members on Barbelith? That is a hell of an icrease since the board re-opened.

Just asking.

rex=guilty of occasional multisuiting
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:51 / 27.01.03
It's likely that there were people wanting to get in when we were closed to new members, which would account for a few of those new suits. IIRC, as soon as we re-opened, there was an influx of about 400 'new' members in the space of two or three weeks. Tow whittled the registered suits down to around 900 a few days later, getting rid of those that had been registered for a while but never posted.

Which means that we've had around 800 individuals join in the space of four(?) months. I rilly don't think so. But, as long as they're not being used to fuck the board about with, I can't see a problem. It's something that *is* worth keeping one eye on, though. It's not exactly a chore to set up a new Hotmail account, after all, and that's all you need.
 
 
gingerbop
20:55 / 29.04.03
Multisuiting seems weelll confusing to me- i mean, i understand it, but if i did it myself, id get so confused. Bad enough with one!
As for 3 letter names being in fashion- you are sooo last year. Its all about 9, or so i hear...
 
 
Jub
12:11 / 01.05.03
no - you're right gingerbob - it was sooo last year.
 
 
Smoothly
13:17 / 11.03.05
Quite possibly Tom's plea that we should all just back away from this discussion still stands, in which case I apologise. But continuing to think about ways of reinvigorating the board, and considering the reasons why some people think the place has become a bit flat, I wonder whether there's anything doing with the policy on multiple ficsuits.

It's clear that many people did enjoy having alternative identities, and that they have been used well and responsibly in the past. I also get the impression that firmly established identities have become, to some degree, restricting in terms of freedom and breadth of expression. As it stands, it is impossible to escape the baggage of one's identity in a way that I imagine must be frustrating for those posters who are strongly associated with particular backgrounds, politics, beliefs, attitudes and so on. Some particularly defined characters are magnets for ad hominem attacks, for example. Others might want to talk about things that – if combined with other posts – might betray their meat identity. Or you might just want certain comments not to be coloured by other things people know about you.

With the board in its current state of lock-down, but with a process in place to vet new registrations, are we in a position to look at this issue again? Could existing members request another suit for themselves in the same way that they are now able to request a suit for somebody else?

Is there even an appetite for this anymore? Would it do any good? Thoughts? Views? Ideas?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:31 / 11.03.05
Assuming it wasn't too much of a problem logistically, I could see this working pretty well. Given that the board membership's restricted at the moment anyway, and that not everyone's going to necessarily want an alternative identity, and that anyone who did would presumably have to explain their reasons, and fairly firmly undertake not to be too much of a sub-cult anarcheest about the whole situation, it might be quite interesting. For those interested in serious debate, there'd be the option of playing Devil's Advocate with regard to what might be personally long-term, deeply-held beliefs, just to see what would happen - having the luxury of being able to argue against everything you hold dear without any 'real' consequences, in even the limited sense of your character on an interweb chatboard, might be quite liberating, or at least worth a try. And then there's the question of being able to hold together a consistent other identity - Not everyone could do it, it'd be a bit of a challenge.

And on a more prosaic level, it would be quite a lot of fun trying to work out who was who on a day to day basis - you could take nothing for granted, that might be Shaftoe, for example, who's arguing that it's not real music unless there's at least a three, four, or even five minute guitar solo involved, and that sampling is for people who need to learn to play their bloody instruments. Or Stoat who feels that the Queen is a national treasure, so much so that the cat's called Phil The Greek..

If being on Barbelith regularly is a bit like being in a soap opera, you've got the defined characters in a somewhat closed community, then how much more interesting if there were doppelgangers, masks, and these strange, oddly familiar, but you couldn't quite be sure, figures showing up in the local village pub ?

Granted, these are a bit the privileges of a slightly elitist social club, but seeing as to a certain extent that's the situation at the moment anyway, it does seem a shame not to take advantage.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:03 / 12.03.05
I have no objection to it per se, I just don't think it ever was that much of a useful exercise as people like to believe. All I remember is a couple of 'joke suits' Ganesh had and the endless Knodge suits. This idea that people might want to set up alternate suits to talk about things that they wouldn't dare discuss as 'themselves' seems odd to me in a way I can't fully articulate, but maybe I just consider 'Our Lady...' as more of a persona than some of you do with your primary suits.
 
 
Mazarine
10:49 / 14.03.05
Most people seemed pretty bad at the whole multiple identity thing. Wasn't that the source of the "You are -insert original ficsuit here- and I claim my five pounds" joke?
 
 
Tom Coates
16:03 / 14.03.05
Basically no. There is no way in which we'll have multiple user names again. This is for a wide variety of reasons but mostly because we need people to be accountable if they start trolling and if they have dozens of user names then they're not accountable and can't easily be removed from the board.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:05 / 15.03.05
Fair enough.

Personally, I'm with Our Lady on this one. There never really struck me as being that much point (with the possible exception of the Dao Jones suit, which was quite fun AND had a cool name). Certainly not enough to outweigh the attendant problems.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:05 / 15.03.05
Just realised I've totally contradicted my earlier post. But it was a long time ago and hey, opinions change...
 
  
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