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Country music - Just alcholism, suicide and truck-driving?

 
 
illmatic
10:32 / 20.12.02
Is there more to Country, country and Western, alt-country or whatever the term is than the above?

I know there is - Two of my absolute fave CD purchases of the last year have been a Gram Parsons double CD with "GP" and "Grevious Angel" on it, and Willie Nelson's "Teatro" (produced by Daniel Lanois). However, I know next to nothing about the genre (or collection of genres) so I thought I'd ask the good folk of Barbelith for recommendations - what are the essential purchases and why?

Also does anyone want to have to a stab at defining different sub-genres or periods? What the hooting heck is "bluegrass" for instance? I know I could look it up, but it's more fun to ask you guys.

Myself, I like the point where rock seems to cross with soulful kinda sounds. Gram Parsons in particular seems to manage to get all mournful and melancholy but stay real warm at the same time.

Watch for my Barb line-dancing thread in the Gathering soon.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:18 / 20.12.02
Damn. Where's Kali when you need her?

It's about the heartbreak, captain. Heartbreak all the way. Otherwise it is just linedancing and thumbs in dungaree belts. I'm no good on the sub-genres, but I can give you some picks of recent releases.

You might want to try some of Joe Pernice's output if it's the country/rock stuff that you're into. His first two Scud Moutnain Boys albums (collected as The Early Year) tend towards more traditional acoustic sounds - with covers of tracks like Witchita Lineman and Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves along with self-penned stuff that sounds just as good - and work fantastically (the sparce production makes these two an oddity in Pernice's body of work). The other names he goes under are Big Tobacco, Pernice Brothers and Chappaquiddick Skyline and I've yet to hear a bad record from him.

Fairly obvious alt-country picks are Will Oldham/Bonnie 'Prince' Billy/Palace/Palace Music/etc. and Smog. There are threads about both somewhere around here...

Actually, all of these fit better under Gram's Cosmic American Music umbrella than they do 'alt-country', which is an awful name anyway.

The first couple of Grand Drive albums wee good, but the last one, this year's See the Morning In was a bit of a disappointment. Those first two are well worth hearing, though. Again, there's a rock sensibility underpinning the songs (which take on an epic atmosphere on the second album, True Love & High Adventure).

The last Papa M album, Whatever, Mortal was brilliant and easily one of the best I've heard this year (even though it came out towards the tail end of last year). It's like a widescreen take on the Will Oldham sound, with Pajo letting a lot more light in to his vision than Oldham ever risks.

I'm a bit of a fan of Wilco's Being There album and still consider it to be their strongest. It's got a beautifully warm sound running through it that swallows you up like a huge feather pillow.

The Golden Smog (kind of an alt-country supergroup) album, Weird Tales, should also be up the top of your list, if only for the amazingly uplifting singalong that is Until You Came Along.

Lee Fuckin' Hazlewood

Also Johnny Fuckin' Cash, but someone else'll have to fill you in on the Man in Black as I'm a relative newcomer to his stuff.

And if yez like Gram, The Flying Burrito Bros' Gilded Palace of Sin and Burrito Deluxe are musts (although they're not as good as his solo/Emmylou Harris-backed recordings. Don't rush to get The Byrds' Sweetheart of the Rodeo, by the way; it's no more than passable).
 
 
rizla mission
11:29 / 20.12.02
I think I've inherited my Dad's liking for ol' fashioned C & W .. great stuff, really, despite people constantly taking the piss out of it for decades.. And I'm very glad that Dad, unlike many others of his age, hasn't given in to the temptation to listen to godawful MOR country-RAWK..

I'm actually pretty suspicious of the Alt-Country label as well to be honest.. although a few really superb artistes are placed within it (Cat Power, Smog, Will Oldham etc.) I think they're there more by accident than by design, and (unless they're amazing singers with amazing songs) I haven't got a lot of time for all these bands made up of ageing alt-rockers pretending to be cowboys..

To go really, really old school for a minute, I'm very fond of a cheap CD I bought last year by The Carter Family, who allegedly sold one million 78s of "Wildwood Flower" back in the '30s.. very fine.. somewhere between bluegrass, far older European folk music and proto-C & W I suppose..
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:53 / 20.12.02
I'd have to go with Randy on the Johnny Cash thing. And the Lee Hazlewood thing.

If you want something a little different, try Mojo Nixon.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
12:07 / 20.12.02
It is indeed all about the heartache, and the best stuff (eg Gram's Hearts on Fire and $1000 Wedding) is enough to make a grown man collapse and weep like a little girl. (Some it's also bloody, bloody strange, which is a bit of a bonus.)

Ferret out : Lambchop, The Hansome Family and this-weeks-arbitary-Barbelith-hate-figure Ryan Adams' old band Whiskey Town. Emmy Lou Harris you already know about because of the Parsons connection; some of Neil Young's early 70s stuff would do, although it might not be quite as maudlin as you seem to require. Both Nanci Griffith and Hank Williams would work, as would John Wesly Harding and Nashville Skyline by Bob Dylan. Oh, and The Band, especially The Brown Album, which never fails to make me weak at the knees.
 
 
rizla mission
12:16 / 20.12.02
Yeah, Handsome Family are good.

I can't stick Lambchop or Whiskeytown, but lots of people love 'em, so whatever..
 
 
illmatic
12:24 / 20.12.02
Fantastic stuff - thanks for all the recommendations people- keep em coming - I will be moseying down to Selectadisc with my big ol' Stetson, and making use of any other bad cliches I can think of, soon.
 
 
Saint Keggers
13:16 / 20.12.02
Willie Nelson,
Waylan Jennings
Johnny Cash,
Kris Kristofferson (yeah, the guy from the Blade movies)
(apart from their impressive solo careers ,collectively, they have a group called The Highwaymen)

Dolly Parton,
Kenny Rogers,
Jim Fogerty,
Boxcar Willie.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:28 / 20.12.02
Handsome Family: Yes! Lambchop: Yes!
Also: the Billy Bragg/Wilco Mermaid Avenue collections and anything by Low (or am I stretching the boundaries of 'country' there? What about Giant Sand or Calexico?).
 
 
Knodge - YOUR nemesis!
13:40 / 20.12.02
Not sure where it fits in with what you are looking for, but I think Steve Earle is fantastic. The lyrics, the voice, the feel of the music... it's all there. I would recommend Train A Comin', I Feel Alright, El Corazon, and The Mountain.

I have heard him referred to as one of the pioneers of alt-country, but I don't really know if that tag fits well.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:59 / 20.12.02
I'd second The Carter Family, although it's probably not technically country, more american folk or something. I was given a compilation tape with loads of stuff from something called 'The Anthology of American Folk Music' full of stuff by people like the Carter Family, Doc Boggs, and assorted mad 1930's banjo music. Took a couple of listens to get into, then never left my stereo for months. Like discovering some secret alien world of discordant banjo, folk magic lyrics, and tales of gambling and drinking boot polish.
 
 
agapanthus
14:08 / 20.12.02
It's a tribute album but 'Return of the Grevious Angel'is a fantastic set of Gram tunes, covered by a diverse set of contemporary gramophiles: Cowboy Junkies doing 'Oh, Las Vegas', Chrissy Hynde and Emmylou 'She', Evan Dando & Juliana Hatfield duet on '$1000 wedding', and Beck and Emmylou on 'Sin City'.

Lucinda Williams slays me; what a voice! And I'm mighty pissed off that my tickets to PJ Harvey playing in Sydney, are for the same night as the only Wilco show. Damn!
 
 
grant
14:47 / 20.12.02
Bluegrass has a close relationship with what, nowadays, is called "old timey" or "old time country" music.
Like country, bluegrass tends to have a simple melody over a three chord progression.
Unlike country, bluegrass features intricate ornamentation - fingerpicked banjo or mandolin, or Celtic-style fiddle - and a vocal harmonic style called "high lonesome" (after one of the founding albums of the genre). Steve Earle (an "Outlaw Country" star who's released a couple bluegrass albums) once gave a great explanation of "high lonesome" harmony as opposed to straight country harmony... I think it involved going up a fifth instead of down a third(?), so that what would be the bass vocal harmony was actually a higher pitch than the main vocal.
Founding fathers of bluegrass include Bill Monroe, the Stanley Brothers and Flatt & Scruggs. (You've heard Flatt & Scruggs - their banjo/guitar duets are now stereotypical.) Here's more info.
Bluegrass is mainstreaming again, with a little push from the O Brother, Where Art Thou? soundtrack and the last couple Dolly Parton albums.

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Willie Nelson comes out of the Western tradition - you can hear a vaguely Mexican influence in his guitar work. I'm not as able to articulate the difference between Country and Western, but there is one. (Or used to be.) I *think* one of the main ones is if you can two-step to it, then it's Western.
Western being "Western Swing" (an iteration of "Texas Swing," featuring country tunes with a big-band influence, borrowing motifs from the jazz of Count Basie and adapting them to rural ranch-hand songs).
The seminal act would be Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys.
Texans Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard and Waylon Jennings would be inheritors of/reacting against his sound, while Lyle Lovett was sort of recouping his sound, only with postmodern twists.

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Lyle Lovett (and his bluegrass-loving former roommate Robert Earle Keen) helped lead the "New Country" renaissance in the late 80s. Since the time of Loretta Lynn and Dolly Parton, Nashville has really become a sort of pop-factory, heavy on production values and really light on the kind of genuine, simple songcraft that used to set country music apart. So Lyle did a bit of that, but he also wasn't afraid to be funny and to be *smart* at the same time.
(Case in point: his first album was pretty heavy on the heartbreak, and he got some flak from critics for "misogynist undercurrents" or some such. So, on his second album, he recorded a version of "Stand By Your Man." It's a good version, too.)
One of the best albums in the world is Lyle Lovett's Pontiac.
There's some straight up Western Swing, verging into blues, even, some folksy stuff, and some singer/songwriter stuff that'd be equally at home on albums by Randy Newman or Warren Zevon.
Along the edges of "New Country," the early 90s saw the rise of "Rig Rock" - urban reinterpretations of twangy trucker music. New York's Diesel Only Records helped shape the sound and get it out to an audience used to the raw energy of punk rock and the jangly college radio pop of bands like the Connells and REM.
That was the scene that Son Volt came out of, which flowered into the alt.country scene, which had equal time for bands like The Old 97s (Texas country boys with electric guitars) and The Geraldine Fibbers (formerly noisy LA punk band Ethyl Meatplow). There had been an appreciation (sometimes ironic) for country music in the punk/alternative scene for some time - Camper Van Beethoven and Murphy's Law alike did stompy songs in 2/2 time with repeated guitar licks. Folk punk superstar Mojo Nixon made a career out of it. They just didn't worship Hank Williams the way the Diesel Only crowd did.

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Genre-wise, I get confused about Hank Williams. He's essentially THE big name in traditional, straight-up Country, but he yodeled like a damn singing cowboy.
Anyway, he's a good foundation to build out from. I likes him fine.
You'll find a very serviceable description of Country with links to its various subgenres here.
Do NOT confuse him with Hank Williams Jr. (aka "Bocephus" aka "that stinking idiot who did the Monday Night Football theme"), or his grandson Hank Williams III (who looks and sounds a lot more like his grandpa than his dad, is currently touring, and has been known to do a traditional country set followed by a set of speed metal tunes). He's marketing himself as "rockabilly."
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I have to mention Johnny Cash, so here he is. Style-wise, he's a little hard to pin down. He kind of grew out of the original Rockabilly sound, recording on Sun Records alongside Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis & Gene Vincent. But somewhere along the way, he turned his face to Nashville, not Hollywood, and mixed his electric, blues-inflected hillbilly music with the gentler sounds of country, rather than the raucousness of rock and roll. Which is not to say that Cash was any sort of shrinking violet, musically or in his life.
(Excerpt: Cash was arrested in El Paso for attempting to smuggle amphetamines into the country through his guitar case in 1965. That same year, the Grand Ole Opry refused to have him perform and he wrecked the establishment's footlights.)
He raised more than a few eyebrows when he married into the heart of the genre... when he married June Carter, the daughter of one of the biggest families in traditional country music.
And unlike his fellow Sun Records recording stars, Cash is still making kick-ass albums, with his own songs and covers from musicians as widespread as the Louvin Brothers and Nine Inch Nails.

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As a consumer note, if there's a link to it in this post, then it's worth checking out. Yo.
 
 
illmatic
09:43 / 21.12.02
Grant, you are now my God. Thanks and thanks to everyone else for the recommendations. Will be off to Selectadisc today to check some of this stuff out.
 
 
at the scarwash
03:25 / 22.12.02
Hank Williams. Hank Williams. Hank FUCKING WILLIAMS!!! Great lyricist, and representative of the entire spectrum of country and western music at the time. Everyone since owes a debt to him. Yes, yodels like a singing cowboy, but that hitch in his voice is absolutely convincing. He swings, he hollers, there are elements of the blues, bluegrass/old timey musics, cod-exotica ("Kaw-Liga"), all dem t'ing.
 
 
Brigade du jour
04:32 / 22.12.02
You may want to check out this website www.menwholooklikekennyrogers.com

It could answer all your country-related questions ...
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:39 / 22.12.02
Hank Williams III puts on a hell of a show. Sounds a lot more like Hank Sr. than Hank Jr., covers his grandpa and the Misfits. Has original tunes like "Pop country really sucks." Which it does. Hank Sr.'s gotta be the best when it comes to heartbreak and drinking. Johnny Cash as everyone knows is great. Merle Haggard's got some good stuff. But this stuff on the radio now is about as country as Blink 182 is punk. (no offense to the guys, their music is just a far cry from the older punk)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:18 / 01.03.03
BBC 2 have currently got a 'history of country' series on Saturday nights, Lost Highway. By the same people who did the excellent Dancing in the Streets series. Worth watching.
 
 
The Falcon
19:06 / 03.03.03
I like a lot of the newer country stuff; Neko Case, the Bonnie 'Prince' and Lambchop particularly.

Wouldn't clasify Smog as country, really. Good, though.

Mind you, my dad insists Will Oldham is folk music.
 
 
Cookie H. Monster
19:57 / 03.03.03
Don't miss Robbie Fulks, "Chicago-based insurgent country artist", if only for his non-traditional lyrics.
 
 
Baz Auckland
04:40 / 04.03.03
GG Allin did a great country album just before he died. "Carnival of Excess". Definately worth downloading (I think it's out of print), especially the cover of Warren Zevon's 'carmelita'.

I don't know much bluegrass, but Bela Fleck's 'Tales from the acoustic planet' vol.1 and 2 are fantastic instrumental albums. Long live the fiddle!
 
 
videodrome
05:34 / 04.03.03
For those more familiar with the current alt.country crop, take a look at this tribute to Kris Kristofferson, Nothing Left To Lose. s'good. I'm tired, so be glad I've not got the energy to go on about it.
 
 
grant
16:49 / 04.03.03
Note: Kris Kristofferson appears on the "Twisted Willie" Willie Nelson tribute album.
He sings "Angel Flying Too Close to the Ground" as a duet. With Kelley Deal.

For my taste, their version tries too hard to be "edgy", strips away all the melody and such. But it's still something.
 
 
John Adlin
20:33 / 06.03.03
Travis Tritt, why has no one mentioned him, Its traditioal County with a steel electric guitar sound.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
07:29 / 07.03.03
Man in record shop: Have you got Twisted Wiilie?

Shop assistant: No, it's just the way I'm standing
 
 
perceval
10:19 / 07.03.03

Without country, there would never have been rock'n'roll. It's roots are, like just about everything else, in folk. It started at the same time and place as blues, and the genres had a lot of crossover in the early days. The earliest major blues scene was Deep Ellum in Dallas, which produced Blind Lemon Jefferson, T-Bone Walker, Lightnin' Hopkins, Leadbelly, and many others, while nearby Ft. Worth was the first major country music scene, so it was natural that the genres blurred quite a bit back then. As some of the early musicians described it, you would take a blues guitar riff, play it on a fiddle, and it was a country riff, and vice versa. That's why so many songs are both country and blues standards, like "In The Pines".

Great examples of country have already been provided here, like Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, early Dolly Parton (Before she became the pop star, she wrote some intense stuff like Down From Dover). If you like classic blues and folk, there's plenty of classic country that would appeal to you.

Of course, the 80s and 90s ruined country. Taking an easy listening pop song and adding a fiddle or slide guitar does NOT make it country. Or, as one critic put it regarding Garth Brooks, they took Honky Tonk and removed the "Tonk".

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Pemulis / Dee Vapr / Hungrygho
19:20 / 12.03.03
I'd just put two pennies in for Gillian Welch, a real heartfelt recommendation. I've just discovered her recently, but she's got a whole simple acoustic and voice schtick that's really, really affecting.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:08 / 12.03.03
Jimmy Rodgers. He gets lumped in blues a bit more, but he's got yodelling, wonderful fingerpickign and he died of TB. What more could you want? Nickname was "The Yodelling Brakeman", of all things.
 
 
doctorbeck
09:52 / 17.03.03
for fans of gram's cosmic american sounds i really recommend gene clarks solo work after he left the byrds, for me it is stronger than gram's stuff and probably didn't get the recognition it deserved as he didn't hang out with the stones and died quite a bit later

best start with his awesome 'no other' lp which has a well dodgey cover and more soul/aor take on country but which is a nonetheless glorious bit of cosmic junkie excess, roadmaster pretty good too and has the bonus of spooner oldham on piano on a couple of tracks

also his fantastic expedition of dillard and clark is in a bluegrass vein and quite stunning, seems to have wrote the rulebook for rem in that one. all his work is massively melancholy and lovely.

if you like that overproduced la country sound check out the terry melcher lp, forget the title now, he was producer of the byrds & beach boys and the target of charlie manson on the night of the sharon tate murders (it took place in his home), also son of dorris day, the lp features sneaky pete on slide geetar as a bonus,

but really hank williams is the man for messed up red neck melancholia and just about any best of lp with get you going there, but especially if it has lost highway and travellin man on it

any dan penn fans around besides me? best in country soul there is a reckon. maybe get some best of black country cd mix together some time, but including tracks by bobby womack, alan toussaint, percy sledge and james carr, a much overlooked genre.

regards

andrew
 
  
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