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The Trenchcoat Brigade.

 
  

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The Natural Way
12:46 / 13.12.02
I mean, who are THEY?

Those blokes who provide the comic shops w/ 80% of the days earnings; the middle-aged guys who indiscriminately buy half the comics in the store...

What's their problem?

What are they doing?

How retarded and sad can you get?

Has anyone here (comic shop owners, I'm TALKING TO YOU!) actually had a conversation with one of these freaks? And if so have you mentioned, y'know, that they're whole thing is a bit...odd.

So many questions....
 
 
glassonion
14:02 / 13.12.02
as an aside, i found a Phantom Stranger secret origins special in the shop for twenty five new english pence yesterday. it's got a brilliant story by alan moore that i'd never read before, drawn by joe orlando, who's a character in watchmen. the credit-card men didn't fucking spot that did they? [you call them the trenchcoat men but i call them credit-card men in honour of the long minutes spent in a queue behind one as thirty individual comics are run up and a card is used to pay for them]

anyway i wanted to let everyone know about my quality bargain rarity, because it made me feel pretty good about myself for quite a little while there.
 
 
glassonion
14:03 / 13.12.02
in fact, i'm going to go and read it again now.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
15:31 / 13.12.02
I don't know who these people are, but I'm currently working on figuring out how to exploit them... >
 
 
kid coagulant
15:35 / 13.12.02
There but for the grace of Grod go I.
 
 
moriarty
18:32 / 13.12.02
If you're referring to Gorilla Grodd, it's two d's. The people under discussion don't have a sense of history beyond the last five to ten years, so it's unlikely they even care about Grodd. That would be the kind of sad customer category I fall into.

It always stuns me to see someone pick up 20 titles a week from a pull file, then turn around and pick up another dozen from the shelves to fill in the gaps. I don't get it. Whe I owned my shop, I never had pull files, so I didn't really have that kind of clientele.

The creepiest customer I ever had was She-Hulk Boy. I had all my back issues for a buck each (that's Canadian, which is worth next to nothing) to make it easier for the kids to get into comics. This one guy came in, looked at a few things, then found the She-Hulk bin. Every month he would come in and buy a few more She-Hulk comics. He was this little, middle-aged, hunched over man with a comb over, always sweating and looking around him with fear. If I had suggested the Byrne Fantastic Four comic where She-Hulk is filmed topless, he would have exploded.

She-Hulk Boy came in on the last day I had the shop open. I was kind of worried I would never see him again. We were having a party, and my friend The Sinister Ukelele Minstrel was providing the entertainment. She-Hulk Boy came in and when he made his usual purchase of two or three She-Hulk comics, I told him about the store closure. He panicked, went back to the bins, and bought every She-Hulk comic I had left. He even picked up multiple copies of issues he already owned.

That day my ukelele playing friend composed a song in tribute to this great fanboy called, appropriately, She-Hulk Boy. Years later, it is still part of his setlist.
 
 
000
18:36 / 13.12.02
Nothing bad to say about them, me myself.

I regularly cruise in comic shops - in search of hand assist jobs that border on the miraculous...

 
 
hypersimulation
19:11 / 13.12.02
in line at a shop in suburban detroit on the wednesday before thanksgiving:

The guy two people in line ahead of me bought two Anime magazines, and wrote a check for $8.

The guy directly ahead of me in line: Total was $11.18 for Thor, Iron Man, etc.

AND HE FUCKING PAID IN DIMES.

Did I roll my eyes?
Yes. Yes I did.

:>
 
 
Jack Fear
19:40 / 13.12.02
Let me ask you, Runce: is it "sad" for a middle-aged man to walk into, say, a bookshop and buy a load of books? Or a record store?

I'm 35. I go into the comics shop once a month, once every six weeks, when I can afford it, and I drop sixty, eighty, maybe a hundred bucks. With me, though, it's not indiscriminate: I preorder, because I can't be arsed to go down the shop every fucking Wednesday.

I'm consciously trying to build up a library--TPBs, mostly: buying stuff in trades that I initially bought in pamphlets, filling in gaps in the history of comics, trying critically-acclaimed books, buying manga collections--essentially, putting together something of permanence.

Does that make me sad or odd?

What does your ideal comics shop clientele look like? Should comics shops be full of kids? What on earth is there for them to read there?

If comics are skewed towards adults, why does the sight of an adult readership bother you so?

If comics are prsented as hip modern art objects, why does it distress you to see well-heeled buyers?

Are comics cool?
Do we want them to be?

Is it an issue of class resentment? Comics have a scrappy, working-class underdog vibe to them: does it offend you to see the artform being co-opted by wealthy middle-class consumers?

Should comics be an exclusionary club?

Should old people not be allowed to be interested in cool things?

Check your head.
 
 
J Mellott
22:00 / 13.12.02
I think Runce's refering to the morons who buy anything with an "X" on it for "completeness"

I've met a couple of these, and anti-social doesn't even come close.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
22:05 / 13.12.02
I've always wondered a bit about those who buy every single title that the Big Two put out, but, y'know, to each their own. They could be putting that money towards more evil purposes than that, I suppose.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:49 / 13.12.02
Moriarty, I think that's the best thing I've ever read. It should actually be a comic itself.
 
 
The Falcon
01:56 / 14.12.02
Jack, it does make you 'odd'.

So does reading poetry, though.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:02 / 14.12.02
These people don't buy the trades - they go in and buy, seemingly at random, pretty much every book on the shelf. It's their buying habits that are as weird as anything. Oh, yr probably right, prejudice probably is clouding my head here, but I can't help feeling there's something in it. I want to trust my weirdometer just a little bit....

I don't know, I'm seriusly conflicted now. I'd be interested to know where other people stand on this.
 
 
glassonion
12:46 / 14.12.02
jack, you're a lovely feller and i'd love to browse your collection one day, but if one of your monthly drops to the shop coincides with me and you make me wait ten minutes tapping my foot and rolling my eyes then fuck you, and fuck you good, and fuck you forever. maybe one day one of your trips will land you behind a credit-cardman and you can see the kind of comics he buys. if he reads them, then his brain is rotted like milk teeth in a cola can. this is my problem. i think comics are something like the purest, ultimate medium and to see them done badly as they are in c-c.m's collection makes me wrathful.
 
 
some guy
13:02 / 14.12.02
These people don't buy the trades - they go in and buy, seemingly at random, pretty much every book on the shelf.

I'm a big old trade whore myself, but what's wrong with preferring traditional comics? Are these people bad because they Don't Think Like You Do?
 
 
The Natural Way
13:25 / 16.12.02
No, Laurence, they're not bad. They're weird. Or they see to me to be weird. Or....

For the hard of hearing: they buy almost everything on the shelves. They're not trying to complete a collection - they're just buying everyth...oh fuck it. Everyone knows who I'm talking about. People like Cam moan about them all the time. If I pointed one of these chaps out to most of you IRL you'd go "oh yes...he seems a bit strange."
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:49 / 16.12.02
Threadrot:

I really think that Moriarty and Suedehead (who is a fine illustrator in his own right) should team up to produce a comic out of Moriarty's anecdote. That would be great.

Back on track:

I'm going to agree with Jack Fear on this one - those people who are buying huge stacks of comics every week may be a little off, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Those people are supporting a failing industry, even if their critical faculties may not be that great. That kind of enthusiasm for comics, or anything, is generally an admirable trait as far as I'm concerned. I think it's also maybe a little too presumptuous to jump to the conclusion that they aren't reading all of those comics, much less enjoying most of them.

Every time I go into comics shops now, I'm usually priced out of the things I don't know but would like to try, and everything else looks terrible to me. More power to the people who can walk into those shops and get excited about just about everything, I say.
 
 
deja_vroom
14:49 / 16.12.02
So does reading poetry, though [make you "odd].

Ooh, I had no idea whatsoever... sigh.

 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
15:05 / 16.12.02
And John Constantine wears a trenchcoat!

so.....
 
 
The Natural Way
15:05 / 16.12.02
But, Flux, these characters always strike me as completely disinterested in the actual contents of what they're buying. They just buy everything.... Huge wadges of comicbook guff... Maybe yr right: maybe they read do all this stuff. Who knows? It just seems so indiscriminate... I'm going to be nicer and more thoughtful towards these funny individuals from now on. I'd already made up my mind to, but then laurence got all sanctimonious and I just imagined the tone of his voic.......and...and then I got dragged back in. Inevitabley the funny men suffered. They always do.
 
 
The Falcon
15:21 / 16.12.02
JJ - I read comics. I read poetry.

It's a comparison. Reading for pleasure makes you (and I) pretty odd, too.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:36 / 16.12.02
I'm no longer a regular comic book shop habitue, but are the people Runce is trying to describe the "speculators", who buy every "#1" issue, multiple covers, etc., in hope that it'll be worth money someday? You know, the kind of people who killed the comic book shops in the early 90s. Do people still "speculate" like this?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:36 / 16.12.02
Somehow, it's all gotta be EBay's fault.
 
 
grant
16:26 / 16.12.02


Do people still "speculate" like this?

yeah, they do. although I don't think it's them growing into the market as much as the market growing around *them.*

plastic bags. never opened.

I use plastic bags, but I open them. I stuff two or three issues in each, when it helps keep 'em organized.

and...

 
 
some guy
16:34 / 16.12.02
For the hard of hearing: they buy almost everything on the shelves. They're not trying to complete a collection - they're just buying everyth...oh fuck it. Everyone knows who I'm talking about. People like Cam moan about them all the time. If I pointed one of these chaps out to most of you IRL you'd go "oh yes...he seems a bit strange."

Yeah, I know exactly the type of people you're talking about. But again - so what? Why is it any of your business at all what these people buy in the shop, especially if they enjoy it? And Cam may well bitch about them, but they fucking pay his rent, so he'd be wiser to shut up about it.

What is it about comics and self-loathing? Are we all so crippled in our geekdom that the only way to feel good about reading comics is to point out how other readers are so much geekier than ourselves? The people you describe are also underwriting a lot of the "worthwhile" comics that we think are brilliant. If DC's trenchcoat brigade vanished, you can bet Vertigo would be sunk along with it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:42 / 16.12.02
Wizard magazine has been trying to revive the speculation market by feeding their audience a constant flow of "comics speculation is even hotter than the stock market! you can have blue chips comics! what's in your 'portfolio'?" bullshit. They are also constantly pushing this ridiculous comic book grading/appraisal company in conjunction with this scam, which tied into their WizardWorld website. Pretty sleazey, stupid stuff, if you ask me.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:02 / 16.12.02
What is my special limited edition, never-opened black n silver Todd McFarlane Spiderman #1 worth these days, anyway? $500?
 
 
000
17:55 / 16.12.02
We're flooded with the fuckers. Give you $15, kid.
 
 
Baz Auckland
18:39 / 16.12.02
I always heard there was a disparity between what the Comic Price Guide says and what you can actually sell it for. "Yes, your Sandman#2 is 'worth' $50, but good luck finding anyone who will buy the damned thing." I always wanted to bring in my 75 Preachers and ask if I could just exchange them for the TPB versions.
 
 
bio k9
06:13 / 17.12.02
Maybe it looks like they're being indiscriminate because they have been buying the same titles for a while now. When I used to make my weekly trip to the record store I didn't fondle every new album on the shelves, I picked up the ones I knew I wanted, paid for them and left.

Hmmm. I wonder if my purchases looked indiscriminate to the hipster clerks at the store...
 
 
Sax
08:21 / 17.12.02
Hey, but for the sad fuckers keeping DC afloat by buying every single Batman title in the store, you crazy bonged-out hipsters wouldn't have your Vertigo:Pop! to impress the ladies with when you get them back to your Habitat-drenched pad.
 
 
Saveloy
09:35 / 17.12.02
If we guess correctly, do we get a prize? I go with bio_k9's suggestion - older people, been into comics for a while now, know what they like, know when they're coming out, go and buy them, take them home and read them, possibly by turning the pages and absorbing the information contained on them through their eyes (a direct route into the brain). It's crazy, but it's perfectly legal and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. If you followed one of them home and saw them fetching up onto a sponge whilst reading one of the comics you could tip the Daily Mail off and have them do an expose, maybe get a few comic shops closed down, but that would just send the whole thing underground.

Alternatively - these guys are actually working for the Daily Mail and other moral guardian type organisations, monitoring comics for perverse content ("I got lost on my way to the glee club and stumbled into this 'shop', just 2 miles from the local infant school. Children on the top decks of buses could see in...")

Maybe someone should ask 'em what they're up to?
 
 
glassonion
11:33 / 17.12.02
one of the things about credit card man is that he never seems to fit the more horrendous comic-book guy stereotypes. businessy dress, normal build, a face, that sort of thing. no beard or anorak or sweets-belly, just an inscrutable expression and a fuckload of dodgy comics. conspiracy-bob has often thought that ccm is buying for a company or organisation that perhaps uses them for reference or something. nothing about ccm suggests that he is a long-time or ardent comics fan, particularly his woeful choice of purchases.

i'm pretty old. i live in a small town about twelve minutes gentle stroll from the shop, so i go in every week [for the pleasure of routine and 'is it in yet?' buzz that's been a charm of buying comics since i started] but i know what comics i want to buy - ones with morrison, millar or moore on the cover, milligan if the premise of the book grabs me, wildcats, hulk and at the minute any cheap old british superheroes or pat mills shit i can find. average 4 a week rarely spend more than a tenner, all comes to far less than the two-dozen plus pile he's hefting. next time i see ccm maybe i'll charm the details of the current mystery from him. that's if he has mind enough to talk.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:44 / 17.12.02
Laurence, I conceded my wrongness ages ago. I was just being contrary and argumentative because..I don't know...you bring it out in me sometimes. But I must insist that LO! Runce is entirely unashamed of his comics collection. My workspace is smothered in comicshite, I make a point of reading my books on the train because, excellently, it DOES make people curious; and I've never felt awkward around the ladeece because of my big love for men in pants... My need to belittle others may stem from self-loathing Dr., but only that nebulous, unspecific self-loathing we all suffer from. I agree with you that comic's fans should be less paranoid and weird about their, err, "hobby".

Now, here's to the funny little men!

Excelsiorunce!
 
  

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