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Have any of you been published?

 
 
Jack Denfeld
23:55 / 11.12.02
Newspapers, magazine articles, novels. Have any of you been published? What was the experience like? Are you published often, or was it a one time thing? Did you make any money out of it? Did your friends see it? Please tell me.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:26 / 12.12.02
I've been lucky enough to have quite a lot of stuff published - a fair few short stories, in the British science-fiction/fantasy/horror small press. I've been paid for a few of them, usually not very much, but getting into print means that editors of other mags see your work, which is priceless. Better than that, of course, is knowing that someone believes in what you do. I always get a buzz. Also, other stuff can come of it - I've had editors ask me for stories after reading a mag with something of mine in it. I've a done a bit of freelance journo work, too - done a few political pieces for the UK gay weekly The Pink Paper, which was not very satisfying, as they edit everything to read in the same style. But Diva magazine (UK lesbian monthly) has published interviews and articles, they pay pretty well and don't cut work to pieces.

Friends and family see my stuff, of course.

Why do you ask?
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
09:14 / 12.12.02
Have any of you been published?
Like SFD, I've had several of my short stories published and some of my poetry, although always in small - usually local based - magazines and such. It's only in the last year or so that I've actually plucked up enough courage to begin submitting one of my novels, which has so far received a warm response from agents, although said response has usually come packaged with the standard "...difficult to place in today's market...". Still, three literary agents have so far seen the complete work, and all three have agreed that the work is excellent, if unusual (and, by extension, difficult to place, blah, blah, etc.).

What was the experience like?
As to how I felt with the stuff that was published, I was pretty much elated that somebody I'd never met genuinely liked the work enough to take it on (which is partially the reason why I dislike - and will never engage in - self publication). Part of my brain keeps scolding me for those little accomplishments, telling me that they were small presses and nobody probably saw them anyway, but ultimately they did wonders for my confidence as a writer (and - in part - are what prompted me to start working on full novels).

Did your friends see it?
As to friends seeing my work, sure. If chosen carefully, they can be an author's best - and probably most vicious - critics. On the 'lith alone, my latest book has been read by Expressionless, Ephemerat, Jack the Bodiless, and the ever-lovely SFD. If you're serious about any form of writing, then there does come a point when you need to overcome that horrible fear of rejection and begin to show your work.

Did you make any money out of it?
Make money? Out of writing?. Well, kind of. The short stories netted me a little (and by a little we're really talking peanuts here). The poetry was largely submitted just for the pride of having it published. Out of all my various projects, the most I've ever been paid for a piece of writing is £50, and that was a voucher.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:47 / 12.12.02
A couple of comics stories, a couple of poems, an essay.

A tiny body of work, really, and mostly in small-press publications of minuscule distribution: but because the ssay appeared in a high-profile anthology, I can rather impressively claim to have work in print on three continents, and positive reviews in several major newspapers. But I only make that claim when I'm taking the piss.

Total financial remuneration for this corpus: about fifty bucks, plus copies.

It was all right.

Most of my friends and family have no idea it even happened. I just never bothered to tell them.
 
 
that
15:56 / 12.12.02
I once had a review of a non-existent band published in an insert in the magazine of the Gothic Society... didn't get paid, but it was quite a nice feeling nevertheless. I was about 16 at the time, and think my family were fairly proud of me. It's possible that I'll get something else published in a slightly more well-known publication in the not too distant future. And that would make me very happy indeed. I'd be getting paid peanuts, if at all, but that's really not the point...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:43 / 12.12.02
Back in my teens I had loads of stuff in various little photocopied fanzines. I recently sold a short story online for the princely sum of $20, and even more recently had a thing in a webzine for no money but some praise, which was nice. I'm currently waiting to hear back from a couple of places.

Wouldn't exactly call myself published, but I'm getting there.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:04 / 12.12.02
I and a friend used to self-publish (we got pretty good recognition, but then just couldn't be arsed). Bits got stolen by other small-press people, which was flattering, though embarrassing (they were the crap bits).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:05 / 12.12.02
Oh, and I got some cash from "The Rough Guide To Rock"- first paid stuff, I was well happy. Then I did a bit for Music365, which then went into receivership.

Danny fucking Baker owes me 25 quid. Bastard.
 
 
deja_vroom
09:29 / 13.12.02
I translated one of my poems and got it published in a book by the International Library Of Poetry. Later they told me that it was going to be included along with other 33 poems in an audio CD. I don't know how big or important, or relevant these people are. They have an annual convention in Washington to which I was invited, but I couldn't make it. Didn't get any money for it, though. There was a silver bowl somewhere for me, but I had to go there and pick it up, so... Actually I didn't even get to see a copy of the book; but it's sort of nice to know that somewhere there is a book with one of my poems in it.
 
 
Linus Dunce
10:44 / 13.12.02
Not much, but I once won an on-line newspaper short story competition for which I (eventually) got £200 pounds, and a feature article for a amgazine for which I got the same amount. Oh, and a marketing website I wrote and developed for a friend's exhibition. I got a bit more for that.

Friends and family saw the short story and generally said, "Wow ... but what's it about?" They liked the feature article and asked why didn't I do another, but I had realised while I was writing it that I was out of my depth in the subject area and that I didn't really have a vision of my own. This, I think, is very important in any creative process. And being paid more than 200 quid for a week's work (though I think I was spoilt by my short story experience -- I did that in about four hours).

The website was OK -- it was built for a purpose, didn't too look or read badly and, considering the size of the exhibition and the number of potential exhibitors, was successful. Friends said they liked it too.

It is a buzz and people will be proud of you, but don't expect many to show a full understanding of your work. It'll be like when you used to bring home paintings or junk sculptures from kindergarten -- "that's nice dear ... what is it?" :-)
 
 
The Apple-Picker
13:28 / 13.12.02
Um, I don't want to burst bubbles, but since Jade has posted a link to the ILP site, I really feel obligated to post a link to this site, which lists quite a few highly suspected literary scams. ILP has a few other names under which it operates, as you can see via the link, and it is kind of a vanity press that makes tons of money by implying great rewards are surely yours.

On my bloggish type thing, I did a poetry update, which included the full text of an article written by a journalist who attended one of the poetry conventions of another suspected literary scam run by Famous Poets Society. It makes for entertaining reading, if you're interested.

Please research poetry contests before you enter them; some of these places will publish anything because they think they can get money out of you, and if you write good stuff, then you are wasting it on them. A rule of thumb is that good poetry contests don't have much prize money to offer.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
13:33 / 13.12.02
P.S. I don't write this from a vantage point of never having been taken. When I was thirteen, I submitted a piece to "The American Literary Council," which (as the link says) targets students because most parents just have to buy their child's first book!
 
 
deja_vroom
13:42 / 13.12.02
Yeah, I sort of got suspicious of them, because they kept bugging me to buy this and to buy that (and I looked at the other poems fetured in the book and they made me feel... sort of bad). But, anyway, since I didn't pay anything to be included, can't really say it was a bad thing.
However, that these people are out there making profit on old ladies and their cats... I mean, what is this world of liars?
 
 
iconoplast
16:51 / 13.12.02
"A rule of thumb is that good poetry contests don't have much prize money to offer. "

Well, this all might change now that Poetry magazine got that friggin' huge endowment...
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:28 / 13.12.02
I do graphic Design for a magazine so does that count?

I also had a comic strip running in that same mag for about 4+ years...
also an occasional article.

I've done illustrations for a book as well as a short essay. The Author is a very close friend of mine and I was overjoyed to help him out.

Lastly I wrote & illustraited a few comics for a very small publisher oh... about 10 years ago. Great fun for an entheusiastic amature!!!
 
 
The Apple-Picker
19:08 / 13.12.02
Well, this all might change now that Poetry magazine got that friggin' huge endowment...

I sincerely doubt that. I don't think they are changing their payout--still $2 a line. I'm guessing that most people who run respectable poetry contests don't think that the contests should be perceived as some kind of lottery; the money's just a nice little bonus for the real prize of having other poets value your work.

Anyway, on being published: once through that vanity press I already mentioned, a couple times in my high school literary magazine (all of the poems in either of those two publications really make me cringe at myself). I've never been paid for any of my work, and I'm not interested in putting much of it out there right now.

I'm honing, alright? Leave me alone.
 
 
w1rebaby
22:09 / 13.12.02
I got a couple of letters in the Guardian. The Times wanted one, but I had the satisfaction of saying "no".
 
 
sleazenation
10:46 / 14.12.02
I've had various strips, articles, poems, and chunks of nonfiction published. The nonfiction ranges from text for partworks on fishing, dinosaurs and mythology to chapters on natural history and actual history. What does it feel like to be published? Well, there is often such a lag between writing and publication (especially in childrens books) that its almost a surprise to read it back again. With the good bits you think "wow, did i actually write that?" with the less good bits you think "yeah, I wrote that."
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
19:59 / 14.12.02
The first thing I got published was an elegy to William S. Burroughs in a regional San Diego poetry book for high schoolers, when I was 15; I got third place and won $100, which remains the only time I've been paid for my writing other than an essay contest I won in high school... other than that, I was the editor-in-chief of my college newspaper for a year and a writer the year before that, and a bit after, so I published reams of stuff for two and a half years. I've published interviews and articles on Disinfo. I published my own comic with my stuff in it. Basically, I tend to have to be the means of production as well as the product, it's more satisfying that way somehow. Currently working on publishing a real comic and writing a book, so we'll see, we'll see.
 
 
grant
21:03 / 14.12.02
Yes, apart from the daily job.
Had a couple short shorts published in the Miami Herald Tropic magazine before it was no more, alas. Great magazine.

I too have a poem in one of those book things, more for kicks than anything else. Harper's (last month? two months ago?) had a great piece by a guy who went to one of the conventions. They're about as serious as you could believe - and there's a lot of rivalry between the two main organizations. It's definitely a for-profit deal, but they're also kind of... into it, if that makes sense.
 
 
moriarty
22:30 / 14.12.02
Was avoiding this thread until I realized non-written work could be included. I can't write to save my life.

Worked as an editorial cartoonist for a makeshift strike newspaper. It was a great experience, and after the first editorially constrained cartoon I submitted bombed, I was given complete artistic freedom. The strike came to an end, and much to the regret of many, so did the paper. I kept in contact with the editor, and when he moved on I joined him in another publication until I moved out of the area.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
00:26 / 15.12.02
Harper's (last month? two months ago?) had a great piece by a guy who went to one of the conventions.

It was in the August issue, Grant. I haven't had a peek at it yet but am dying to.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:34 / 15.12.02
I am jealous of you all. I want something published.
 
 
sleazenation
10:38 / 15.12.02
Well jack the way to get published.

1. Write. Lots.
2. Write better. (this one is more important than 1.)
3. Publish yourself. (This can give you valuable insight nto the material considerations of outside publishers and editors, especially if you try to enclude the work of other people in your publication)
4. Submit your stuff to *everywhere* that might be interested. (you will get enough knockbacks to paper a wall with. Such is life.)
5. Repeat 1. 2. and 4. until publish and then again until dead. Step 3. is not compulsory, merely advised
 
 
Jack Fear
14:32 / 15.12.02
Which is it that you want? To write? or to be published? What writers want to do most... is write. The thing is its own reward.

Do you want the fame, the adulation, the sight of your name embossed in gold on the spine of a row of books? Then you're no better than any celebrity who puts out a ghostwritten autobiographies: who was it who admitted that not only had she not written the book with her name on it—but she hadn't even read it?

Is that what you want, Denfeld? Ego-fellation? Do you want to be a fame-whore, or do you want to be a writer?

Get your priorities straight, and do the work. That's my only advice: DO THE WORK. The work is the prize. The reward of writingevery day is that you get to write every day. That's enough. Do the work.
 
 
Sax
18:43 / 15.12.02
Anyone can get published. Write a letter to your local newspaper.
 
 
grant
15:37 / 16.12.02
Follow Buk's advice.

Always.
 
 
paw
23:56 / 16.12.02
great poem. never read that one before.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:26 / 17.12.02
Ego-fellation would be nice.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
08:43 / 17.12.02
After reading some responses, I've come to my senses. I won't sell out. It's all about being a writer, not seeing my name on the spines of published books. I will be underground. I'm not going to write for the man. I'm so underground that I won't even practice writing.

Seriously, writing's not the same as other arts. For example, if you can spit rhymes, you may not get signed, but there may still be a buzz about you. Freestyles on radio shows, house parties. But it's not like I can just type stuff out on my computer, not get the material out there, and still have anyone appreciate my work. "Hey, that kid Jack Denfeld is off the hook, yo! I heard he been talkin' to Bantam, son."

Being published would show me that I had refined my work. And I'm not trying to be Stephen Clancy, selling a billion books a week at all the airport gift stores, but truthfully I'd get a bit of a thrill knowing people I didn't know had read something I wrote. Don't you? A little?
 
 
Jack Fear
11:18 / 17.12.02
Actually, no. The prospect fills me with squirming horror and embarrassment, because I suck so bad and the next one's going to be so much better than the piece of shit I've got out now.
 
 
Linus Dunce
17:07 / 17.12.02
Seriously, writing's not the same as other arts. For example, if you can spit rhymes, you may not get signed, but there may still be a buzz about you.

I've posted above so you can decide for yourself how much or how little my advice is worth, but I remember from university that writing a lot does change the way you speak, so you may get a rep for being a raconteur or conversationalist of some kind.

Also, I remember my journalism tutor telling us that while we were in-between work, writing just one sentence a day -- any sentence -- would keep our writing "muscles" toned. I don't write here for that reason but I'm sure it would count as exercise.
 
  
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