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Astral Entites and The Real You

  
 
Kobol Strom
22:08 / 10.12.02
Alrighty,

I was in London the the other week and I had another experience with a minor astral entity.
Well,I managed to remove it from my body by finding it moving around my right shoulder and just holding on to it.It started to squeak,I kid you not.Then I held it out in front of me with both of my 'phantom limb' hands and as it kept on squeaking I just let it go.
Is this the right strategy?,because it seemed to get rid of the little blighter.
Strangely,as is the case with dealing with stuff in trance,I only just remembered that the entity had been bothering me for at least a couple of days ,and that I had only just gotten into the right state of awareness to deal with it.

Anyway,heres the point...

Even if these are hypnagogic/auditory hallucinations,why do I work on this level?Why not just deal with natural bodily healing like everyone else- why is this odd interaction necessary?....And, is it possible to effect a healing in this state on someone else?


I am worried that if I didn't consciously remove the apparently parasitic entity that it might have stayed on me for quite some time.I think that 'removal' happens a lot with people either through dreams or natural processes,but I'm not sure.

Periodic removal of parasitic entities from the 'self' through trance state awareness continues to work ,and has done now for a good couple of years.

Possibly unrelated-
- Pushing my 'astral' hands out into the room has stange effects.At one time there seemed to be a membrane at arms length that seemed soft and gave in slightly to pressure.
- There was one occasion where I felt someones outstretched finger (easy tiger) and when I tried to move it,my actual teeth began to grate involuntarily.I seemed to have discovered a way to interact with my own signal processing that was completely unpredictable.
- When in a normal,usual trance I am not aware of any entity but I still get the 'phantom limb'.I can feel the position of my hands and arms when they are not connected to my paralysed body.
 
 
Sebastian
11:03 / 11.12.02
Even if these are hypnagogic/auditory hallucinations,why do I work on this level? Why not just deal with natural bodily healing like everyone else- why is this odd interaction necessary?....And, is it possible to effect a healing in this state on someone else?

Well, this is quite natural body healing as I see it, and yes, I think you could do it on someone else, but that is indeed another topic, and I would advise not to proceed unless you find someone experienced and in good health that is already doing it.

Anyway, I can only retort to the well known RAW metaphor of reality tunneling. It seems you have entered the reality tunnel of the "self-healer" that deals just like you have done with "parasitic entitities", and it is okay so far, even as odd as you may find it, it is a legitimate step. Of course, you can still dig further into the tunnel or into other "healer" tunnels to get rid of that oddness, and that would still be your own "healer path".

We are at an interesting point in history for you to do this, because today you have acces to zillions of bits of information telling you about different healing practices all over the globe through "millenia" of human existence. Just to think that if you would have been borned a century back in an island among natives, the local shaman or anybody around well-versed in tearing out entities would have put you under his wing, and thus you would have kept removing entities from people for all your life, and chances are it would have stayed your only "medicine". Today I think you can choose and to some extent consciously go in the direction you want to go.

If you ask me, try or experiment with white light visualisation and projection, which seems to be a natural revitalisation and regenration thing imbedded in our nervous sytems, popping out in every form of human living, even in modern western science. Try also to amplify it with quarz crystals, and make a nice beam shooting show. Then monitor and follow-up the effects. But remember, this isonly one suggestion.

There was one occasion where I felt someones outstretched finger (easy tiger)

I smiled when I read this becuase I kinda got used to fingers popping out of everywhere around while in trance, like saying psssst, psst, but they eventually stopped. I think they are sort of checking how impressionable you can be, or how much they can break your trance, or call your attention. I remember a particular occasion, lying on my back, in which a quite impressive, cold and tangible claw persistently scratched my right feet's plant, one, two, three times, until I changed position.
 
 
Kobol Strom
22:41 / 11.12.02
Thanks,

The tangible 'claw' resonates.And yes,it does feel like an initiation of sorts, kind of 'What will they do now that they realise they are in my grasp'.Its quite primal in this way,and not an intellectual endeavor,squeaking and screeching seems to be the limit of the communication radius.They seem real,they feel real,and annoy,but they can be removed.Its interesting,but at the moment it feels like a very selfish ability.I don't know how,or 'if', I should go about trying to apply these techniques to others,but I'm willing to solicit opinions.It doesn't scare me anymore though,after a while it seems like a natural process: recieve 'itch' - remove parasite.
But there was a time where the parasite was quite 'tangible',as in - of 'scale',and when I tried to remove it,it squealed and an 'alarm' went off,it gave off an alarm signal,and what I'd describe as 'others' came to fetch it.(NB:to preserve it as I was about to try an kill it,I thought.)
Also,related possibly:I haven't had the flu or the cold since I started this kind of semi-conscious trance healing,which was about 3.5-4 years ago.
So I guess,what are they? ,where do they come from? Or is it a case whereby, 'that which does not kill me makes me stronger'?
Thanks for your thoughts anyway Sebastian, its appreciated.
 
 
grant
15:30 / 12.12.02
There are whole books on this topic - one I read by an Australian psychiatrist, put out by one of the imprints under Inner Traditions International Books.
 
 
Sebastian
11:21 / 13.12.02
A psychiatrist? Grant, do you remember the tile of the book?

Kobol, you know, when I felt the claws, fingers, whispers I didn't pay much attention to them, as I was usually going into trance or altered state (AS) for other purposes. I also associated with the entry into AS the incissive and synchronous screeching and loud cracking of furniture which is usually dead silent, and also the innocent sounds of the nearby rain-stick (a semi-hollow, short log hanging on the wall that has inside lots of pebbles, that make a rain-drop-like sound effect when you move it).

Anyway, I would be interesting to know more about how you actually got into this type of healing. I can relate to it most of what I know about shamanism. Those entitites supposeddly found a hole of energy in your body and make a nest of it. So it would seem to follow that if you put one away and still have that hole another one will come. Thats where the shamanic soul recovery may tie in, which involves restoring the enrgy or part of the self that left leaving that hole in the body, but I am speculating. This is mostly derived form Sandra Ingerman's book.

I remember reading from Michael Harner's writings another type of shamanic healing that involves having the parasitic entity -mostly refered as "the disease"- being sucked and then vomited by the shaman.

I am not particularly prone to these type of healings, precisely because I find them somewhat odd as you also described your feelings. They do open however a lot of questions like the ones you opened this thread with: do we have to heal ourselves like this? is this sort of a dead end of healing? how do other effective healing practices bypass or deal with this? does it really prevent the common cold, or is it somethign else that prevents it, maybe the entry into AS with the healing intent per se, or maybe the underlying,presupposed belief system? what happens then to the entity, will it come back? how much paranoid should I get and start getting rid of every itch I get?

I've just remebered that I was once healed of an entity that had nested in my lung. From what I was led to remember as part of the healing, it had entered while I was asleep in bed at night, and so it had to be removed. Point was that after the removal it was still alive and kind of sick an angry, ready to start looking ferociously for another host. I never became comfortable with the fact that it is still out there, nor with the fact that I actually hadn't done anything to let it in, or learned anything to avoid letting it in again, I did not receive any "prescrition" of how to avoid it in the future. And it was very clear that it was "unkillable" from common means. Who knows.

But there was a time where the parasite was quite 'tangible',as in - of 'scale',and when I tried to remove it,it squealed and an 'alarm' went off,it gave off an alarm signal,and what I'd describe as 'others' came to fetch it.(NB:to preserve it as I was about to try an kill it,I thought.)

Yikes!! How creepy. Looks like it was the big thug of your standard consortium. Puaj!

I would really like to explore into this thing a bit more and tie in into some sort of structured belief system, Kobol, so keep in touch in this thread.
 
 
Sebastian
11:33 / 13.12.02
I don't know how,or 'if', I should go about trying to apply these techniques to others,but I'm willing to solicit opinions.

It is difficult to assess this. Maybe you can dream the question and find a teacher or start receivng instructions on the subject through dreams. Push it a little bit and answers will appear as you conceive the possibility and hold to the intent of using dreams for this. From there onwards you are on your own.
 
 
Kobol Strom
20:43 / 15.12.02

"Anyway, I would be interesting to know more about how you actually got into this type of healing"

I think it all started in earnest when I was a teenager and I was having regular sleep paralysis.A kind of sleep narcolepsy.I was being bullied at school and I was convinced that I was living in a haunted house.I had a ritual that I performed that allowed me to get to sleep every night and it involved sitting up late and waiting for my parents to stop watching telly and go to bed,the sound of them coming up the stairs was my cue to rush back to my bedroom and pretend I was sleeping.With my parents within 'screaming' distance I felt I could relax a bit more ,and often I would get to sleep quite quickly.I used to watch all of the reflective surfaces in my room,to keep an eye on things.This would upset my sleeping patterns.There had to be a light on somewhere in the house so that I would never be plunged into darkness.
One night I awoke into a hallucinatory version of my room and I was paralysed.This was strange in itself,but beside me there was a woman sat in a chair knitting.A typical bout of sleep paralysis.The features of the room were very hard to discern,but seemed to be made of a glowing blue melange of static.I was in complete terror.
I was terrified that I had broken some rule of the Universe and that I might at any time have my life terminated.
This was an undesirable state of affairs,I didn't look for this experience in any way.It started happening about once a week,and it was partly due to the fact that I've never felt safe.
In these states I was at first terrified,then I began to try to overcome my fear and helplessness.At about this time there was the introduction of other,possibly external, influences that caused me to hallucinate,but have conversations with,alien entities.'The knowledge and conversation of the HGA' is one way of describing it,I would come out of these interactions with memories of deep voices and of feeling very much like a rabbit caught in the headlights.I didn't know what was real any more,so I needed to become skeptical.Whoever I was talking to was helping me,whoever was 'behind the scenes' was looking after me,would tell me stuff,show me little things,pictures,possible futures,music,would point out alternatives to propositions,ecological problems.
I was reading 'The Invisibles' and I could relate quite strongly to the abduction of the character Dane by these 'Grey' aliens.At Art school I made a short Alien abduction film to try and exorcise some of my anxieties,and it worked very well.In dreams I was beginning to overcome these fears of 'the other',and the result was that I could interact a lot more with these entities instead of being a passive and terrified subject.
About the time I finished The Invisibles I had an unconscious awakening of what is described as 'Kundalini' energy.Now I don't know what the hell is going on ,but I'll try to describe it.I could feel an itch at the base of my spine (whilst paralysed).If I thought about it,I realised that I was mentally holding it there,stopping it from moving because I was afraid that I might be destoyed by it.It was like a fire.As I became less afraid,the energy rose higher up my spinal chord.I found that my internal dialogue and inner thought processes were made up of organised areas,which were sytematically ending as the fire rose upwards to my mind.My thoughts were stopping,and I knew that the very thought of 'this is my only thought',in itself acted like a temporary barrier to this light.At this point,there was only the impulse that what was about to happen would not kill me.And this final thought gave way to a state that cannot be descibed in words.
The upshot is,that when I am in this paralysed state,I am aware of the energetic processes in my body,am aware of the need or lack thereof to experience the 'kundalini',and can move my invisible arms in order to remove what appear to be,parasitic entities.
The ability to self heal in this way,arose from survival instinct,a fear of aliens,a fear of the dark,and a feeling that whilst in paralysis,I was never safe.

Can I stress that if anyone else is experiencing sleep paralysis,that it is a well documented and natural process.Simply try to relax and gradually you will waken up.It can be brought on through a disturbance in your regular sleep patterns and is very normal.If you are worried consult a Doctor.

If you actually want to achieve this state of mind I recommend
-sleeping with the light on
-sleeping in an unfamilair location with the light on.
-breaking up your sleep patterns with sleep deprivation
-exercises with lucid dreaming
-reading 'Communion' and then renting a log cabin somewhere remote and inaccessible,staying there on your own, sleeping every night in a different room and keeping the light on.Good luck.
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
21:11 / 15.12.02
i havent actually read through this thread yet, just scaned to the bottom to see if i'd taken part in it.

the sleep paralysis thing, thats the kind of state that its dead easy to OBE from, ive found myself waking up in sleep paralysis on several occasions and being able to OBE easier and quicker than if i was meditating for an hour...i think i'll read the thread tmrw
 
 
grant
16:51 / 16.12.02
Here, the book and the MD is referenced here, in this thread.
 
 
Kobol Strom
21:28 / 16.12.02
I think I'm going to have this thing for my whole life.A whole 16 months have passed since that thread and it still happens.Still remains unexplained.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:44 / 16.12.02
Going to sleep on my back always seems to bring on sleep-paralysis and summon the nasties out of the woodwork: faceless monks, a guy with a head like a rat, disembodied hands, gargoyles squatting on my chest, you name it. I'm inclined to attribute this to biological causes rather than astral ones, but that's just me.
 
 
Kobol Strom
22:22 / 16.12.02
Have you had any success with interacting with them,MC?Asking them questions?
 
 
solid~liquid onwards
22:22 / 16.12.02
... i had a fight with a disembodied hand once.
 
  
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