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Middlesex- Jeffrey Eugenides

 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:29 / 09.12.02
I'm only about 50 pages in so far and the narrator is talking about hir grandparents life before they moved to America, but there's a lovely feeling of texture, though for some reason the narrator has a brother called 'Chapter Eleven'.

Is anyone else reading/has read this?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:16 / 10.12.02
Haven't read it... but is "Chapter Eleven" perhaps a reference to American bankruptcy law?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:08 / 19.12.02
Aah, that's an interesting possibility...

Just finished this and wanted to bump it up a bit because I could not recommend it enough. A wonderful, wonderful book and the best thing I've read in a long time. This is not a book to dip in and out of, you luxuriate in it like a long hot bath. Wonderful characters, an enthralling story that you really don't want to end when you get to the last page.

If you don't buy this now you have no soul!
 
 
ShadowSax
19:44 / 13.04.06
bump?

i just finished this. in brief, i thought it was too long.

i really bought into the second half of the story, where callie/cal is dramatizing his own experience. i thought the second half showed better writing.

but i have to admit some disappointment overall. the ending seemed very light, not really getting anywhere other than to say the whole thing wasnt that big a deal, which it was. i realize that sometimes the best part of telling a story are the parts the author chooses to leave out, but i would have liked it if the ending had more weight.

this is a long dead thread; anyone else interested in talking about this book?
 
 
sibyline, beating Qalyn to a Q
02:04 / 14.04.06
read it too long ago to contribute anything substantial... it was one of those reads that seemed great at the time, but hasn't left a strong mark.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:37 / 15.04.06
It's not really Cal's story but that of his family, which led to him. I just wish we got a bit more of him once he leaves home and live as a man.
 
 
ShadowSax
11:47 / 15.04.06
i agree. the part of the story after he runs away seems critical, and it's really just quicked over.

i get that the "story" is about his family. but he doesnt hang with the characters long enough to give them anything. the only person he follows appropriately till death, i think, is his paternal grandfather.

his maternal grandfather dies, then appears again in a new life, but is then just as quickly gone.

his paternal grandmother is the most interesting person in the book, perhaps, but we get nearly no dramatizations of her after her husband dies. i understand the thematic importance of this move, but it makes the book less interesting.

milton is one of the most underdeveloped characters, i think; it's easy to define the 60s-70s dad as distant and stoic, but he is such an interesting character until callie is born, that it makes his departure from the plot movements that much more repetitive.

i dont think the periodic shifts to "present time" with cal's time with julie are meaningful enough to represent his current experience.

it's not that i didnt enjoy the book; i really did. but the inbetween lines that as a reader i'm supposed to enrich via the experience of reading the book and digesting its implications and unsaid thematic meanings were instead filled in with doubts about the ride the writer was taking me on.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
18:10 / 02.05.06
[warning: post contains spoilers, if you don't like that sort of thing...]

Recently finished this. Echoing some other comments, i think the pacing of the book was odd - I would have loved there to be more of Cal's life post-"coming out", and explaining the reasons ze ended up where ze did...

As it was, the last few chapters seemed kind of rushed, when it was what seemed to be the pivotal bits - maybe it was me coming to the book from its "billing" as an intersex life story, but it almost seemed more like a novel about a family and their experience of cultural integration into America, with an intersex-themed bit tacked on at the end...

I swung between really liking and occasionally being slightly annoyed by Eugenides' writing - the narratorial interjections felt a bit gimmicky at first, a bit quirky-for-its-own-sake, and certain other things were a bit self-consciously postmodern (we never find out why Cal's brother is called "Chapter Eleven"). people who know about definitions of literary styles - is Eugenides considered modernist, postmodernist or something else? His style is sort of reminiscent of some of the "magic realist" school, but apart from a few stylistic devices there wasn't really much "magic" or "the impossible", so much as the "real, but not often realised to be possible"...

[SPOILERS]

One thing that struck me as odd was that there seemed to be no real indication (to me, at least) that Cal/Calliope's own gender identity was as anything other than a girl-attracted-to-girls before she read her diagnosis file - so that, to me, hir re-identification as a boy seemed to be based on nothing more than finding out ze had a Y chromosome... admittedly, all the intersex people I have known were raised as boys but are now female-identified, but all of them, when living as the "wrong" gender, were deeply unhappy (to the point of near-constant suicidal feelings) until able to live as their preferred gender, so i felt i had to suspend disbelief on that bit... would be interested in the perspectives of any trans men or male-identified intersex people here on that...

Also, i'd be interested to know whether some of the people and places mentioned in the book are real, based on real people, or totally fictional (I knew Wallace Fard and the Nation of Islam were/are real, although Fard probably wasn't actually what Middlesex claims him to be)... Dr Luce and Zora Khyber, for instance (again, i want more detail on the later bits!)...

I definitely enjoyed it tho (especially after having not read a "big" themed novel for a long while), and I intend to lend it to my (female-IDed) intersex friend to see what she thinks of it (tho most of what she reads is sword-and-sorcery fantasy, but Middlesex touches on lots of themes she's interested in, and i think the style will appeal to her)...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:29 / 02.05.06
See the second entry in this thread for a possible explanation of 'Chapter Eleven'.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
18:41 / 02.05.06
What i mean is, there's no direct mention in the book of why the brother's called "Chapter Eleven", or indeed if that's his actual given name (or an alias given by Cal/Eugenides for "authorial" reasons - like "The Obscure Object")... it's left for the reader to try to attribute meaning (I wondered if it might be a biblical reference, given the Christian Orthodox stuff there, but haven't yet bothered checking a bible for all the possible "Chapter Eleven"s)...

I think the decision to never explain it was probably just a deliberately quirky/random thing...
 
 
The Strobe
10:23 / 03.05.06
I just always assumed that the brother (younger, yes? Two years since I read it) was a "surprise" to his parents hence: "Chapter Eleven", unexpected burden that brings parents closer to bankruptcy. I read nothing more into it than that.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
21:07 / 10.09.07
Very scathing but very good review of Middlesex here (particularly appreciated by me because of it echoing my own dissatisfaction with the gender-identity/sexual-orientation stuff).

(dunno if i 100% agree with McClung, but she certainly raises some good points...)
 
  
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