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What will it take?

 
 
Strange Machine Vs The Virus with Shoes
23:54 / 07.12.02
What will it take?

We know that ethnic cleansing is an abomination, but what about ethical cleansing?

People are getting mighty sick of being exploited (even the middle classes). Why don’t we attack the richest 1% of the population who have the majority of the wealth? Are we all socially whipped? Or do people really believe that those in power have a right to rule our lives? That might is right?

Your thoughts on restructuring this inherently fascist society.
 
 
jeff
00:45 / 08.12.02
Kill Everyone! even trees
 
 
000
01:07 / 08.12.02
@Are our current rulers justified in maintaing their position?@

NO! Well, at least I don't think so. In my eyeview, the rights of the common person is just about beaten to death. And we have to decide if that's what we want.

@What will it take to change social control?@

A changed mindset.
 
 
Baz Auckland
01:56 / 08.12.02
If you ignore them, they will go away. Start a Barbe-commune.
 
 
bio k9
03:07 / 08.12.02
Yes, I say we kill them. And take their place.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:29 / 08.12.02
Let them all kill each other, and we'll put it on TV for PPV in bars with popcorn and drinks.

Society needs to have rebels at all times. Those who rebel then get absorbed and the next generation takes their place...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
09:13 / 08.12.02
If you ignore them they will fuck you over even more without being checked.

While I can't support a coup d'etat, I wouldn't mind a non-physically-aggressive coup, if it could be engineered.

What will change social control?

Follow the chain of theory. Insane-Radical-Controversial-Progressive-Norm.
 
 
000
12:15 / 08.12.02
Potus, thank you. I let that one go unchallenged because my cane is quite sore at the mo.

If we're talking about a true revolution, then you're right in assuming that it has to be non-aggressive physically. In a demonstration, until you provide the incintive to the police to take action against you, they can't do a damn thing. It's against the law for them to batter you, shoot you and other niceties, until someone provokes them.

Roll out, Gandhi, true disbeliever.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
15:05 / 08.12.02
i wasn't gonna bother with this thread, but fuck it - my psychic cohld is raging and i've been unconscious much of the afternoon. 'Sides, it seems a serious (if oversimplified) question, and so far has acted as nothing more than a pretext for wisecracks.

if you're genuinely asking what will it take to spark an actual revolution - well, much more apparent inequality than is present in the post-industrial west. also, the hardening of governments into tyrannies - and blatant exploitation and persecution of everyone beneath the top strata.

the conditions for revolution are unlikely to surface when the first world can use the third world as its real frontline theatre of operations. i'd basically say that the vast bulk of first world citizens are in a comfortable position - and the majority of them realise it.

and i think that when chrome says (re: What will it take to change social control?): "A changed mindset." ...i essentially agree. barring an cataclysm in the west, the physical situation necessary to propel the masses into revolt just aren't there.

besides, right now there's supposedly a majority that actually believe in the policies of the government, that work for the corporations, that happily identify as consumers. unless yr uprising is of the revolutionary vanguard into centralised control variety, this must change.

living in democracies dissipates much of the genuine opposition, the mass media can be relied upon to provide a basically capitalistic ideology, whether overt or subliminal... and yeah, the people. if the people aren't sufficiently unhappy, if they aren't so focused on what would be their ideal - if there was one ideal for all these people - if there is still some small belief in their democratic power...

if, as you're alleging, we're living in fascist states - then they're democratic fascist states, and that's what you have to unpick first.
 
 
bio k9
21:58 / 08.12.02
It seems a serious (if oversimplified) question, and so far has acted as nothing more than a pretext for wisecracks.

This is in the conversation forum and the thread was started with the question "...what about ethical cleansing?" Was that a serious statement? And this: In a demonstration, until you provide the incintive to the police to take action against you, they can't do a damn thing. is just as absurd.
 
 
000
23:43 / 08.12.02
Why, thank you Bio K9.

But I meant that as in:

In demos of the recent years, riots have been started by the demonstrators, which in my opinion is an error -- by starting a riot and giving the law enforcers a reason to pacify you, there's not much to be gained ideologically. The other way around, that is, the law enforcers starting a riot by abusing the law which they must uphold, is a showcase of how unjust the whole thing is, and which will affect the public at large which otherwise wouldn't necessarily think the same thing if the former was employed.

By displaying your internal values upon us, you commit yourself to at least help search for an answer which will benefit the largest percentage of the population, in some form or another, Bio K9.
 
 
w1rebaby
23:52 / 08.12.02
In demos of the recent years, riots have been started by the demonstrators

if you believe that
 
 
autopilot disengaged
07:43 / 09.12.02
yeah, bio - but c'mon - conversation or no, this is barbelith, and when someone asks for "Your thoughts on restructuring this inherently fascist society..." it should be like poking a pinky into a bee hive.

i'll admit that this topic would be better handled with a specific case or single, focused question - hopefully over at the switchboard... but surely not every convo topic is doomed to death by a thousand one-liners?

c'mon everybarby - let's *chat* about the revolution!
 
  
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